Mauricio Amadaeus Pochettino | Chelsea sack watch

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So anything good is because of Poch. Poch only has some issue, but all of the issue is because of the menality of PSG?

PSG made CL final with Tuchel. Somehow that fact is evaded, just to make the point about PSG is the Galaticos version of Spurs.
Where did I say any of that?
 
The only way ETH can achieve more is proving himself at a bigger club.

You expect Ajax, to make CL final? They nearly did but lost out once. CL semi final was still impressive. Else, his Ajax has been doing quite well under him

Well that’s fine but we will have to wait till he does that. He has done a great job at Ajax but the scrutiny is nowhere near any other big club
 
Please please please avoid him. Give us Ten Hag. feck Poch. He has constant failure on his CV, year after year finds a new way to feck up hilariously.
 
Well that’s fine but we will have to wait till he does that. He has done a great job at Ajax but the scrutiny is nowhere near any other big club
As I said in another thread we haven’t appointed a manager that is overachieving with a smaller side. It’s like Klopp was doing at Dortmund
 
But they were sitting back before that and couldn’t keep the ball at all. They had a nice 3 minute spell of keeping the ball before Neymar gave the ball away. They could have conceded 3-4 times before that even while being camped in their own half . The players just completely lost their heads for which Poch deserves blame too but I think if you sit back in that scenario you would concede anyway with wave after wave of Real Madrid pressure
Reminds me of a Manchester Derby. I’m sold.
 
Where did I say any of that?


You lot are going to tear him a new one after this. But PSG keep on capitulating in the CL when there's a bit of pressure.
Of course. I'm just saying, it seems ingrained in that club at the moment. PSG have dominated 140 minutes of this 180. They've missed some incredible chances. That's not on Poch. But not being able to do anything to turn it when it went against them, that's mostly on him.
 
But they were sitting back before that and couldn’t keep the ball at all. They had a nice 3 minute spell of keeping the ball before Neymar gave the ball away. They could have conceded 3-4 times before that even while being camped in their own half . The players just completely lost their heads for which Poch deserves blame too but I think if you sit back in that scenario you would concede anyway with wave after wave of Real Madrid pressure
I think keeping Messi and Neymar on after 2-1 was a big mistake. They just dont help in defence and PSG was getting overrun. Players lost their head but the team shape didnt help when Madrid started attacking at full pace
 
Did you see the last part where I said him not doing anything to change the game is mostly on him?

I don't think that's the same as saying "anything good is because of Poch. Poch only has some issue, but all of the issue is because of the menality of PSG?"
 
I think keeping Messi and Neymar on after 2-1 was a big mistake. They just dont help in defence and PSG was getting overrun. Players lost their head but the team shape didnt help when Madrid started attacking at full pace

I think in the ideal world one of them should have been off but can’t see a manager at PSG who can do that frankly
 
I just realised Amadeus is not Amadeus, but Amadaeus.
Damn, use to sing Falco's song reading his love letters to Poch.
Oh well..
Anyway, please God, don't do this to us..
Didn't we suffer enough?
 
Well that team was totally unsuited to his style of play so it's not much of a surprise. It's almost as a big a Frankenstein as our team.
 
As I said in another thread we haven’t appointed a manager that is overachieving with a smaller side. It’s like Klopp was doing at Dortmund

I actually would like that but Dortmund we’re still much bigger than Ajax. I think he has a fresh outlook which would be very welcome at United but I think we are going to go with Poch as he will be the safe choice
 
Wow those last 20 minutes were so hard to watch. He looked like broken man and so did his team. PSG do this every year so it's not on Poch but it does not reflect well on him at all.

Wonder if PSG board sack him now or still wait until the end of the season. Think he can't wait to leave that club.
 
He is a good appointment from a Glazer point of view - won’t rock the boat and may do enough to get 4th.
 
I actually would like that but Dortmund we’re still much bigger than Ajax. I think he has a fresh outlook which would be very welcome at United but I think we are going to go with Poch as he will be the safe choice
I think we might go Poch but Ten Hag has Ajax winning 6/6 in group only 7th team to do it in history. Only conceded 9 goals in the league and they play great football.
He is ready for the step up
 
He’s been auditioning for the role of ‘shut up & coach what we give you’ in Paris so it’ll translate well to United.
 
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Shit sunglasses as well, don't want
 
Well that’s fine but we will have to wait till he does that. He has done a great job at Ajax but the scrutiny is nowhere near any other big club
It's rich because you're here ready to deflect the blame for somebody is proving himself not able to deal with scrutiny of a big club.

But they were sitting back before that and couldn’t keep the ball at all. They had a nice 3 minute spell of keeping the ball before Neymar gave the ball away. They could have conceded 3-4 times before that even while being camped in their own half . The players just completely lost their heads for which Poch deserves blame too but I think if you sit back in that scenario you would concede anyway with wave after wave of Real Madrid pressure
Or PSG got caught pant down tactically. It's not Poch's intention to sit back, but that's RM turning the heat on for the moment, and PSG didn't know what to do. PSG half time team talk was not prepared for this. RM team can't sustain this intensity for long. The issue both lies with lack of preparation, and weak in game management to damage control and get back to the game when RM eventually settle down.

Watching enough PSG games under Poch, and it's the same theme when they lose control of the game. The front line got cut off from the players behind, and the players behind defending for their lives and couldn't find the front line who positioning too far away.

And counter attacking is not the same at sitting back. A pressing team can be counter attacking oriented when they choose not to press high, but mid block. Tuchel PSG fits this description against stronger teams, or when they need to run down the clock.
 
It's rich because you're here ready to deflect the blame for somebody is proving himself not able to deal with scrutiny of a big club.


Or PSG got caught pant down tactically. It's not Poch's intention to sit back, but that's RM turning the heat on for the moment, and PSG didn't know what to do. PSG half time team talk was not prepared for this. RM team can't sustain this intensity for long. The issue both lies with lack of preparation, and weak in game management to damage control and get back to the game when RM eventually settle down.

Watching enough PSG games under Poch, and it's the same theme when they lose control of the game. The front line got cut off from the players behind, and the players behind defending for their lives and couldn't find the front line who positioning too far away.

And counter attacking is not the same at sitting back. A pressing team can be counter attacking oriented when they choose not to press high, but mid block. Tuchel PSG fits this description against stronger teams, or when they need to run down the clock.


Meh I am not deflecting anything. I am not going to get paid or anything if Pochettino becomes manager. I am just being practical and trying to judge Pochettino overall while also remembering what level we are at currently. It’s obvious to anyone that his time at PSG will go against him in terms of future jobs but all I am saying is that if his competition is ETH then it’s hardly a no brainer either way
 
Did you see the last part where I said him not doing anything to change the game is mostly on him?

I don't think that's the same as saying "anything good is because of Poch. Poch only has some issue, but all of the issue is because of the menality of PSG?"
Your post read that way to me.

To ignore the fact PSG already made CL final, your focus is to hammering home the ultimate point about PSG as a bottling club. Poch in your word only has issue when thing gets tough, where he failed to adapt to the situation and make change. Ignoring that PSG has been under similar situation plenty of time under Poch this season.
So PSG only dominate other teams during their good period in the game because Poch's coaching? Nothing to do with their players' quality?
 
make the same
But their goalkeeper quite literally kicked the ball into his own net when they were two up. Prior to that it was comfortable.

Folk using this to further their view that he isn’t right for the job (I honestly don’t care) is simply confirmation bias. But you won’t want to hear that.

Claiming confirmation bias can be used anytime something matches a preconception. This guy already has a reputation as a bottler, this doesn't help. Even after the first goal, they still had to concede 2 more goals to lose. Is it not the manager's job to try and prevent the team from capitulating? It's not even a one-time thing, he was just as passive when PSG went out to City last season.

I'm not trying to turn this into an Ole conversation, but if Ole was managing PSG today, would you make the same excuse?
 
Wow those last 20 minutes were so hard to watch. He looked like broken man and so did his team. PSG do this every year so it's not on Poch but it does not reflect well on him at all.

Wonder if PSG board sack him now or still wait until the end of the season. Think he can't wait to leave that club.
They'll likely wait until the end of season then terminate his contract that probably had reaching the latter stages of the champions league on it.
 
But they were sitting back before that and couldn’t keep the ball at all. They had a nice 3 minute spell of keeping the ball before Neymar gave the ball away. They could have conceded 3-4 times before that even while being camped in their own half . The players just completely lost their heads for which Poch deserves blame too but I think if you sit back in that scenario you would concede anyway with wave after wave of Real Madrid pressure

I guess I just don't think they needed to keep the ball necessarily? Inviting Madrid forward to then hit them with counters was surely the right approach instead of trying to tamely circulate possession given the disparity in quality between the midfields. And frankly were I PSG I'd rather deal with waves of RM pressure to allow for counter opportunities with the best player at that in the world in Mbappe instead of allowing Madrid transition opportunities.
 
Pochettino wouldn't be a bad appointment for us. I would prefer ten Hag personally but wouldn't be sad if we hired Pochettino.

I think PSG hired the wrong coach in Poch because a lot of their players are technical players and Pochettino from my observation has never shown the ability to coach a technical brand of football. So I hope if we do hire him, he looks to bring in a coach who will help us control the game better on the ball rather than the high energy stuff we've seen at Espanyol, Soton and Spurs under him.

Even Klopp has benefitted from having Dutchman Ljinders as assistant and Liverpool have have created a controlled rest phase in possession, which gives them time to rest in possession rather than the non stop heavy metal stuff Klopp was accustomed to before. Which was very taxing on the players at Liverpool and his previous clubs.
 
They'll likely wait until the end of season then terminate his contract that probably had reaching the latter stages of the champions league on it.
Then at least he should go out with Ligue 1 title. It's not greatest achievement, but would be first league he's won.
 
The fallout had nothing to do with Thiago Silva or even Danilo Pereira.

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/par...helchoosing-pochettino-was-a-long-time-coming

Tuchel was appointed by Leonardo's predecessor, Antero Henrique, and the Brazilian never accepted the coach he inherited. The two fell out many times, both in private and in public, most recently in the summer when they disagreed on transfers. Tuchel wanted a centre-back, specifically Germany international Antonio Rudiger of Chelsea. Leonardo wanted a defensive midfielder, so he signed one in Danilo Pereira. To make a point, Tuchel played him at centre-back, which was both childish and unnecessary. Once Leonardo told the media in October that Tuchel's comments and attitude were damaging for the club, it was evident his days were numbered.
 
Meh I am not deflecting anything. I am not going to get paid or anything if Pochettino becomes manager. I am just being practical and trying to judge Pochettino overall while also remembering what level we are at currently. It’s obvious to anyone that his time at PSG will go against him in terms of future jobs but all I am saying is that if his competition is ETH then it’s hardly a no brainer either way
Fair point this post.

Every appointment now is a risk in itself, there is no such thing as no brainer. However, for fans their personal preference, it's clearly to see what quality are more desirable.

For example, Poch having a habit of lowering expectation. His sub is mostly terrible if not for his starters being on the bench coming on to rescue the game where they are comfortable favorite. So far PSG tenure is gonna confirm his status as non elite coach, yet beside PSG, he' achieved nothing. The same way one can cast doubt on ETH, can be applied to Poch's Spurs tenure, where his Spurs only did well due to circumstances. They look better than teams in their rebuild phase, but ultimately losing to teams that establish their superior standard. Our situation would ask for a manager that continue to improve himself so he lift this team . Accepting our current level, then we would likely end up where we are in the future, because other clubs have advantage in the structure which put themselves ahead of us, while we're heading south now with another rebuild, restructure.
 
Fair point this post.

Every appointment now is a risk in itself, there is no such thing as no brainer. However, for fans their personal preference, it's clearly to see what quality are more desirable.

For example, Poch having a habit of lowering expectation. His sub is mostly terrible if not for his starters being on the bench coming on to rescue the game where they are comfortable favorite. So far PSG tenure is gonna confirm his status as non elite coach, yet beside PSG, he' achieved nothing. The same way one can cast doubt on ETH, can be applied to Poch's Spurs tenure, where his Spurs only did well due to circumstances. They look better than teams in their rebuild phase, but ultimately losing to teams that establish their superior standard. Our situation would ask for a manager that continue to improve himself so he lift this team . Accepting our current level, then we would likely end up where we are in the future, because other clubs have advantage in the structure which put themselves ahead of us, while we're heading south now with another rebuild, restructure.


Yeah I think I am looking at it more from our current state and where these two can get us but I can understand that at this point the ceiling for Poch doesn’t seem to be too high and even if he does well he will probably never take us to the really really top level while ETH might do that .
 
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