We are not certain though. That's the problem and why NATO is tiptoeing around eggshells despite being more than able to end the Ukraine war very quickly.
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We are not certain though. That's the problem and why NATO is tiptoeing around eggshells despite being more than able to end the Ukraine war very quickly.
Someone needs tell liz. Stfu. Bring Jim back.
Russians breaking out the Zs and Ukrainians having to bury the citizens of Mariupol in mass graves. Should be on the front of every newspaper tomorrow.
Or maybe it's because Russia is not at war with a NATO territory and they are not willing to further escalate the situation.
As already said if the war comes to a NATO territory there won't be in of these so called doubts holding back the response.
Looks like the protests are now being quashed in occupied cities:
Again, I don't believe that these doubts won't happen even on a NATO territory. Just my opinion.
But let's assume that we have no doubts that there will be no nuclear war, then we are really just sitting here watching Ukrainian civilians get annihilated despite easily having the capability to help them.
This inaction doesn't sit well with me and makes me uncomfortable.
You should have seen the caricature from the recent number of Charlie Hebdo. That was far more radical and insulting than the one by Anonymous.
Because while they could end the Ukraine war quickly, it won't be without shedding a lot of blood and the war will become the Russian war. Now many seem to not consider that russians are actual people, at least it's how it reads when so many think that it's an obvious and easy decision to move the war in their country. I will take the risk and refer people to Afghanistan or the Irak war, those were far weaker opponents and it took a lot of time, resources and lot of human casualties in order to not even manage to actually control the region.
NATO really shouldn’t have taken getting involved militarily off the table. Putin may well have called the bluff anyway, but there might have been a chance he might have thought twice before doing some of this stuff in Ukraine.
I don't think it sits right with anyone, but it's just the sensible option. Inaction (apart from sanctions and helmets etc) vs spreading the war beyond Ukraine's borders. Pick your poison.
I think many share your discomfort. But it is what it is. If you're not in NATO and you don't have nuclear weapons of your own, then this could be your fate.
Hopefully the sanctions hurt Russia hard enough to quit before Ukraine falls.
When you consider the alternative, yes it's possible. Missiles that can travel hundreds of miles or more are not plentiful and are very, very expensive. Its not an unlimited supply.
If this happens and the west retaliates the UK government could take over Chelsea.
It's pure cringe.
It isn’t… NATO is a defensive military alliance. The EU is an economic bloc. Germany not agreeing to the sanctions is an EU problem. Germany not having a functioning military is a NATO one.
It was a joke. I blame the overall armchair expert approach by some in this thread why that might have been unclear.
NATO and EU are two very, very different entities.
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I listened and was staggered to hear what she was saying. I couldn’t tell if she was just putting on a front or genuinely believes what she is saying.
Think we’ve already seen the first wave.How long before they come for the Caf?
If accurate, these numbers simply aren’t sustainable…
This thread has led to me ignoring more people than any other forum on the caf.Take a bow.
How long before they come for the Caf?
I genuinely believe that there are some people like that here already. Any current event discussion always throws up a couple people, usually newbies, who have views that are so out there that they have to be deliberately doing it.
I've thought the same.
So that's an estimated minimum of 20,000 killed or wounded - at an average of 10,000 per week. In another month, at the same rate, the total would rise to 60,000, or nearly one-third of the total invading force since the invasion started.
And that's not taking into account the fact that trying to take cities is going to be even more costly from here on in.
They have a lot of force out now in Kherson, but I don't think they can maintain that level of control for too long. Eventually someone will start lobbing molotovs at these clowns once some of the riot troops have moved on.
They are never linear. The tactics on the ground will change.
The devastating effect of sanctions - the BBC reports:
"In a sign of Russia's growing isolation, domestic automaker Lada is halting production on its factory floors. The company says crippling Western sanctions mean it can no longer gather the parts and supplies it needs.
Founded in Soviet Russia in 1973, the iconic brand is well-known in the region for its affordability.
During his second stint as prime minister, Vladimir Putin was often photographed driving Lada models and calling on all Russians to buy one. "You won't regret it," he said in 2010.
The company is owned by French carmaker Renault but its vehicles are assembled by local automobile manufacturer AvtoVAZ. Lada accounted for 21% of auto sales in Russia last year."
"In a sign of Russia's growing isolation, domestic automaker Lada is halting production on its factory floors. The company says crippling Western sanctions mean it can no longer gather the parts and supplies it needs.
Founded in Soviet Russia in 1973, the iconic brand is well-known in the region for its affordability.
During his second stint as prime minister, Vladimir Putin was often photographed driving Lada models and calling on all Russians to buy one. "You won't regret it," he said in 2010.
The company is owned by French carmaker Renault but its vehicles are assembled by local automobile manufacturer AvtoVAZ. Lada accounted for 21% of auto sales in Russia last year."
Ah, apologies then!
Thought this was encouraging, showing the west realizes Putin isn't going to come back to the former status quo. Nice to see someone this smart is working in Washington.
I'm not worried about Washington, I'm worried about Berlin (and Paris to a lesser extent).