I also think VAR had a case to look at Marquinhos' late tackle on Alaba in the box, so it's jsut excuses. Genuinely think the officials did quite well for most of the game, so dick move to blame the outcome on that.C'mon Poch, your team has to be mentally stronger than that. You can't let one bit of misfortune impact your team to the point they just capitulate like that.
Champions League knockout ties are at least 180 minutes long. Look at yourself and your team before you start crying foul about the referees, Poch. The tie should have been dead and buried by the hour mark of the 2nd leg, that's not the referees fault.
I also think VAR had a case to look at Marquinhos' late tackle on Alaba in the box, so it's jsut excuses. Genuinely think the officials did quite well for most of the game, so dick move to blame the outcome on that.
Well yeah, but it didn't decide the game by any stretch of the imagination. Still had 2 goals to score after that and PSG might have thought about keeping the ball a bit, or even fashioning a chance for themselves. I know Fergie and Mourinho used to use this tactic a lot, but we have to call it out as BS.I could have understood if a foul was given. In the middle of the pitch you'd get a freekick all day. I can also understand why the ref allowed it though. But there's no doubt that first goal turned the tide. The urgency and aggression from Madrid went from 0 to 100 after that goal. They wouldn't have scored at all had the ref given the foul. That's why Poch/PSG won't be happy about it.
This. I don't get the apologists rebutting with the whole "oh but PSG is a shitshow, its not fair to judge him there".... yeah but so are we! And we don't even have players with the calibre of Veratti, Mbappe, Marquinhos, Hakimi etc.Seriously, if he can't get a tune out of PSG, no way is he going to get one out of United.
Exactly. Unless massive change is implemented, I fail to see how Poch is a good fit for us.There's certainly no joined up thinking at PSG, it's just buy the best players and hope it works out. However, that's how United operate and we have shitter players so we know how this story ends with Pochettino in charge
Exactly. Unless massive change is implemented, I fail to see how Poch is a good fit for us.
Massive change will be required regardless of who our manager is. Even Pep and Klopp wouldn't win a thing with this lot.
Massive change will be required regardless of who our manager is. Even Pep and Klopp wouldn't win a thing with this lot.
Not really. Liverpool already had an excellent structure in place, all they needed was a top manager to push on. One that wouldn't actively fight said structure eitherIs that the point? Guardiola joined a well oiled machine but Klopp joined a similar dumpster fire to United, he has been the difference.
Not really. Liverpool already had an excellent structure in place, all they needed was a top manager to push on. One that wouldn't actively fight said structure either
But you make a good observation. Maybe you do have a good structure in place too now, and it's just a matter of getting a top manager. Doesn't look like it though...
The transfer committe stuff was Rodgers exagerating because he was unhappy he didn't have control. The structure was the sameAn excellent structure? They literally changed the structure after a year with Klopp going from their committee to a DOF model.
You can take the man out of spurs....
But seriously, i don't think he's fit for the sort of big club United seems to see themselves as. This is a guy who actually needs total control. Who needs for the organization to send a clear message down to the players that it's his way or the highway. He's struggling with a team of superstars and even at spurs his downfall was a direct consequence of their success boosting egos to a point his now-household name players began to chafe under his methods
The transfer committe stuff was Rodgers exagerating because he was unhappy he didn't have control. The structure was the same
The 37-year-old is being promoted into a newly-created role as part of a restructuring of the football operations. Edwards will now lead the club’s overall football development, including player identification, acquisitions, sales and retention, as well as taking primary responsibility for reviewing and implementing improvements to the training ground environment and infrastructure.
Think this gets forgotten, he's had one of the best strikers in the league, in his prime, averaging over 30 goals a season - still didn't win anything.
So did Jose and now Conte. Looks like if Conte doesn't win anything with Kane in the team, he is a poor manager?
Why would you conclude that? Didn't he win many titles outside of Spurs?
Jose actually never got a chance to prove he could win anything seeing as they sacked him before a final, so we'll never know. If Conte doens't win anything in 293 games, whilst having one of, if not the best striker in the league - then yeah.So did Jose and now Conte. Looks like if Conte doesn't win anything with Kane in the team, he is a poor manager?
The funny thing is that Pochettino's greatest achievement came when he didn't have Kane available.Think this gets forgotten, he's had one of the best strikers in the league, in his prime, averaging over 30 goals a season - still didn't win anything.
Jose actually never got a chance to prove he could win anything seeing as they sacked him before a final, so we'll never know. If Conte doens't win anything in 293 games, whilst having one of, if not the best striker in the league - then yeah.
I don't, its fans who say, he had a 30 goal a season striker and won nothing so hes not good. Well, Conte has the same 30 goal a seasons striker at Spurs, so surely he has to win something?
I think it is unfair to judge Poch or any manager who isn't managing the top teams on trophies alone.
Very fair point, but in the league I struggle to see how he was a hinderance for them.The funny thing is that Pochettino's greatest achievement came when he didn't have Kane available.
He went to the CL final without him ...
Of course it's his fault, im just saying he got to a final, he could have potentially won something but wasn't even allowed to - great decision that also turned out to be. Mourinho still delivered trophies with us with a team worse than that Spurs side.Oh right, so whos fault was it that Jose got sacked? Surely not Jose?
Also, so now the metric has changed, the manager has to have played 293 games before judging him?
I think it is unfair to judge Poch or any manager who isn't managing the top teams on trophies alone.
First time I've heard anyone say this. He won nothing with them and still gets compared with the best regularly.Pochettino is a tough one for me.
I think his performance at Spurs is underrated, finishing 2nd or 3rd for three consecutive years if I'm not mistaken. Competing against oil money.
I thought Pochettino was the man we should have got instead of Mourinho and then instead of Solskjaer. In my mind it's just a bit too late and there's better options now
To me that's a weak argument because the point made when you mention Kane, is that Pochettino had a top squad and one of the best player in the world. It's not as if we are talking about a team that only had Kane, they also had prime Vertonghen, Dembélé, Eriksen, Son, Alli, Alderweireld, Lloris. His top 15 was by some distance the best in EL which is a competition that they played several times and failed miserably.
I would understand your argument if we were talking about Moyes at Everton but Pochettino benefitted and contributed to something quite exceptional, he led an actual top squad in a club that is generally not a top club but won nothing. To me that's the difference between a good and a very good coach, Pochettino doesn't give you a winning edge, he seemingly doesn't have it.
I don't actually have an other example of a manager having that much talent in a squad for that long and win nothing, not a national cup, EL, UEFA cup. It's not that common.
Very fair point, but in the league I struggle to see how he was a hinderance for them.
Of course it's his fault, im just saying he got to a final, he could have potentially won something but wasn't even allowed to - great decision that also turned out to be. Mourinho still delivered trophies with us with a team worse than that Spurs side.
The 293 games was to highlight how long Poch had with a striker at the top of his game, Conte does not take that long to create a team that can win something, if he had players of the quality that Poch did. Also Kane and Son recently broke the record for combined goal combinations, so they're both objectively prolific and he had them in their prime as well as all the players @JPRouve mentions and still won absolutely nothing.
Obviously, yes.
But Poch is managing a top team now. And he can't get a tune out of said team - not really.
I'm not talking about getting knocked out the other night - that's one match, and shit does happen (and Real Madrid is obviously - still - a team filled with enough potential quality to present a problem to anyone).
But there's absolutely nothing impressive about what he's accomplished in Paris.
In order to excuse him, one has to bring up factors like "it's a circus" or "yeah, but Messi's old now" or "they can't press"...which some people might find adequate, but others will call special pleading.
Bottom line is - again: it's not impressive at all. Or - if you will: there is absolutely nothing in it which could possibly serve as a reason for wanting him at United.
Who made those players better?
You say that but realistically, Jose still had Kane, Son, Alderwerield, Moura, Lloris, Alli all in their prime too, he couldn't get them to finish higher than 7th.
I still think he is a very good manager, yes he might not have the trophies edge but, lets not kid ourselves, he is a very good coach.
We talk about United as if we are ready to win something, we aren't. We need a manager who is proven to build a style of football. ETH and Poch both do fit the profile for it.
