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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
I'm sure that Saab are salivating at the prospect of selling their jets to Ukraine in the future. The Gripen, which is also used by the Czech Air Force, was designed in a way that it can take off from snow-covered landing strips or roads of only 800 metres (2,600 ft) long in a scenario of defensive force dispersal of combat aircraft. I wish Ukraine had those right now because it would fit their ability to disperse their existing forces on the ground.
What was it doing there in the first place?
I don't. Maybe you can clarify ?
Honestly my gut feeling is that Russia are going to be up to all sorts of dirty tactics to goad US and/or NATO to see how far they will go
It certainly looks that way, although I'm not sure what Moscow would gain from that
Yes, I agree. I also think NATO is doing far more for Ukraine then they have been admitting to.
Maybe they have a plan up their sleeves involving backup from China (who want to make a play on Taiwan asap) and North Korea (itching to fire their missiles). I feel like war is stirring and it’s not coming from nato and the US
I think the red line will be chemical/biological weapons. I think once a war escalated to that they won’t be able to simply watch on and hide behind Article 5 any longer.
The Russians don't want Moscow to be wiped off the map, so I doubt they'll want to escalate this with NATO.
You say that but they are probably calculating who’s gonna get the best shots in first. Maybe he fancies his odds. Maybe he doesn’t use the nuke option and has something else up his sleeve
Dunno... They didn't do anything meaningful about Assad in Syria
Edit: Very happy for this to be removed if mods think this violates the 'no dead bodies' rule.
It's possible someone made a really stupid mistake while setting the coordinates for the mission. It crashed as mentioned in the article near Jarun. There is also a village called Yarun in Ukraine (halfway between Kiyv and Riwne).
Russian ships leaving the Odessa area would be significant news. They could of course still attack by land.
Without nuke options, they are toasted in a war against NATO. If he wants to go nuclear, he doesn’t need an excuse.
So, I don’t think so.
Miko getting a proper pounding tonight.
Yeh the land route is through Mikolaiv, hence the focus there. Resorting to heavy bombardment now after multiple assaults have been repelled quite easily it seems.
Not really. The sudden death of Lukashenko would only embolden internal opposition forces inside his country. Putin wouldn't want that.
What though?
Nuclear is the big bluff, at least we hope it's a bluff, but what else could Russia or China offer? No chance there's some secret weapon unknown about in this day and age, and in direct conflict with Nato they would be battered. China don't want to be a part of this, it's why they remain seemingly on the fence, they know Putin has fecked this and they know the Russian army are stuck in the past. It's way more likely that those supporting Russia are playing the "I'm not involved" game hoping Putin has a plan but deep down knowing the world has to move on once this has been resolved one way or the other.
Geolocated outside Kyiv apparently
There are zero odds he can win vs NATO. He can only assure mutual destruction and we don't know if he is crazy enough to get there.
The other possibility is that he is now acting as a failed gambler. He doubles his bet because he still believes the West is morally weak and they will not go to war no matter what.
I don't really understand this by the Russians, unless they don't have the supplies to remain or are intending to come back. Lurking off the coast of Odessa means the Ukrainians have to worry about an amphibious assault in addition to the attack from (or likely around) Mykolaiv. The Ukrainians could move some of the forces they've reserved in Odessa to send to Mykolaiv or the salient north of it to try to prevent it being bypassed.
According to two Meduza journalists, Putin's now purging the FSB division responsible for foreign intelligence with two high-ranking officials under arrest.
Thats a bit unexpected development isnt it? Whats next Putin blaming the FSB and a good ole purge?
The timing of your response could not have been better.
Prolonging the war only helps NATO.
Well, at least they are getting to the truth, one way or another.
I don't understand the Russian tactics. Driving down a road, with no infantry screen either side, is just asking to to be ambushed and hit by anti-armour weapons.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/putin-planning-chernobyl-attack-ukraine/
Erm, what in the name of holy feck is this?!?!?!
This was something I discussed with friends. Biden and everyone is so adamant that they won't interfere while the war is 'limited' to Ukraine - what happens if they do something at Chernobyl or another plant? What happens is (worst case hypothetical scenario) he was to drop a nuke in Ukraine? Surely they couldn't still sit by and let it continue?
Erm, what in the name of holy feck is this?!?!?!
This was something I discussed with friends. Biden and everyone is so adamant that they won't interfere while the war is 'limited' to Ukraine - what happens if they do something at Chernobyl or another plant? What happens is (worst case hypothetical scenario) he was to drop a nuke in Ukraine? Surely they couldn't still sit by and let it continue?
Nobody is "hiding" behind article 5. As Biden said, direct NATO involvement is WW3. There is a deliberate effort being made on our side to avoid escalation or the appearance of escalation, partly because of the whole WW3 thing, and partly because Putin likes escalation games and we just don't want to give him what he wants.
They don't really have any tactics other than bombing the hell out of cities.
Those russian pilots flying 30 years old rust buckets must be pissed they aren't flying SU57s
This is not a drone, it's actually as almost as big as a plane. Weights 6000 kilograms!
And it travelled all the way throogh Hungary for around 40 minutes, to Croatia, and no one even noticed it until students from nearby buildings reported it to the police. NATO, eh?
The fact that this is not even a big news is even more disturbing.
What would you want to happen and would you be prepared to die for that in a potential nuclear exchange? It's not an abstract question either.
The fact that they know exactly the route it took and how long it spent in which airspace shows that it was noticed. Probably it was identified as a reconaissance craft and therefore no action was taken.This is not a drone, it's actually as almost as big as a plane. Weights 6000 kilograms!
And it travelled all the way throogh Hungary for around 40 minutes, to Croatia, and no one even noticed it until students from nearby buildings reported it to the police. NATO, eh?
The fact that this is not even a big news is even more disturbing.
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It wasn't surprising that the most corrupt bank in the Western World was going to try to stick around in Russia to keep laundering money for their Russian clients so I'm shocked at the reversal.
DB probably can't take on any additional AML penalties.