Today has been pretty wild in here with the whataboutism and bothsideing
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You honestly think GHWB & the coalition invaded Iraq under false pretenses, etc.?
Very good read. The Russian and Belorussian peoples are victims of their own authoritarian / dictatorial regimes.
fair playYou haven't yet twigged that Russian and Chinese totalitarian dictatorship is bad? Oh dear. Do not pass Go, do not collect £200.
Well, you tell me, scum bush junior invaded iraq after afghanistan for what reason? If it was the nuclear weapons as they claimed, well they found shit, they ended up tearing apart a whole country then established their companies in Erbil
Wow.
I am talking about the economical aspect, both are giants on that front but both are under the influence of the petro-dollar and they believe their coalition can change that, which is yet to be seen, that's what I meant
Depressing.
They are.
But they are also not North Koreans. They have had largely free Internet and possibility of international travel. Many do protest and don’t support their dictators. Many are indifferent though and bury their head in the sand, and many also support. The path to the Holocaust was paved with indifference.
Russia's economy is half the size of France's, and that's before the war.
We could also conclude from this that there is a much greater chance of democratic states emerging than in North Korea.
It's already been explained to you several times: NATO hasn't entered into Ukraine because of the risk of a nuclear WWIII
NATO takes collective decisions, which all members then abide by.
Wellllllllllllll.....a bit more than half us aren't
was just about to say the same thing.What a strange post. Has anyone on here implied that they were?
What were the false pretences that senior attacked Iraq?
Because NATO are a defensive alliance? And Ukraine are not a member? So many people seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what NATO actually is. You can argue about the morality but the reality of the situation is that NATO are not a world or European police force and exists to protect its members if they are attacked (and not if they initiate the attack even).
Of course, there would be nothing stopping France/Germany/Poland/ Italy/Spain mobilising if they wanted to?
You're also missing the rather important point that nobody anywhere has forced anyone to join NATO?
France economy isn't small though, I don't see your point, you don't consider Russia as one of top countries on that front?
Zelenskyy is now doing all his speeches in governmental offices and on the streets of Kyiv, so must feel fairly secure right now.
Indeed, it's smaller than Italy's. And if things carry on for much longer, Russia's economy will end up being smaller than Australia's.
Not at all
We agree on Iraq with W, I was asking about the 1991 invasion.
You said a giant, and most people would consider France a large economy with the US and China being giants. Russia has an economy half the size of France's and smaller than Italy's. That's not giant by any measure.
Apologies. I actually read that as one of Fredo's posts and wondered why he was refuting something they themselves had said a few seconds earlier!
No. Its only special military operations.
Senior decided to intervene during the arab war between Iraq and Kuwait/KSA (don't know what was in it for him except to keep hold of the petrol in Saudi and Kuwait) as this was the bread and butter for the USA in the arab world back then (still to this day)
For NATO, defensive alliance that went all the way to Lybia to attack Gaddhafi and kill him? that shelled Yugoslavia before? Doesn't seem defensive to me, if anything it was driven by specific agendas that found it easy to attack when they see fit until now when they are facing a madman with 6500 nuclear warheads at his disposal..
Russia wasn't even a top 10 economy in the world before any of this and will be lucky to be top 30 in a few months. They are light years from being considered anything resembling an economic power.
its weird cuz they started their own thread to have that discussion without any complaints and yet have filtered themselves back in here
You do realize that it wasn’t Senior unilaterally going into Iraq, right? What else were we doing in the ME to such a degree in the 80s, the ‘bread & butter?’
This really isn’t the right thread to continue, let’s migrate to the Whataboutery thread.
I guess they weren't getting enough attention in there.
Oh, a cease fire, I'm sure nobody tried that, what a great idea!
Nato engaging russian military means all gloves are off, it means a swift defeat for Russia on the ground and a super high risk that Putin's only options are nuclear.
Seems a couple of posters here are really craving atomic bombing, that's pretty odd.
Ensuring the petrol you discovered in the KSA remains fully within your control maybe? Or the fact that April Glaspie, your US ambassador back then informed Saddam that the USA has no opinion of what happens between Iraq/Kuwait? Only to back on that and go all war on Saddam?
Russian tank just going solo....totally professional army folks.
Not a problem!
But you believe arming the ukrainian people to keep fighting will help solve the issue? This is adding fuel to the fire in my opinion and in the end it's the people who will pay the bill. Sanctions can cripple Russia yes, but it still doesn't prevent them from doing the worst and which is using nuclear...
Less than half the size of California's economy and smaller than New York or Texas.
I'm pretty sure german people are happy to know that they're still considered jew hating murderers.
Ah feck