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if you think of the political spectrum as a circle, not a line, it makes way more sense.
feck I reckon this was a massively play by China. I reckon they’ve put Putin in a position where he’s now fecked. Encourage him to fight a war and then watch him piss it up the wall and financially cripple his own economy.
They would have done their own assessment, weighed up the chance of success and about to purchase Russia for a cut price deal and remove nuclear threat from their northern border… also going to get gas and oil on the cheap.
They would have done their own assessment, weighed up the chance of success and about to purchase Russia for a cut price deal and remove nuclear threat from their northern border… also going to get gas and oil on the cheap.
I think paramount in Xi's thinking is economic recovery after the Pandemic. Xi has to create an environment that generates 11-12million jobs annually.
So I doubt if he would want that economic risk (ie recession) of Putin starting a war and destabilising their key market, Europe. And China has $400billion invested in Europe.
But once Putin kicked it off, they are trying to make the best out of the situation.
Why Russia wants to restore the Soviet borders
(this video was done like 8 months ago)
(this video was done like 8 months ago)
Volodymyr Zelenskyy, explained in 8 moments
Not going to lie, am slightly disappointed by that video, was expecting the Ukrainian residents to come out baring rolling pins and pans to kick them out,
Instead it looks like they ask them politely to leave, which they do!
Is a Russian Novichok poisoning in the UK classed as an attack on NATO, If he increased this sort stealth attack in Europe NATO wouldn’t do a thing.
Russia strikes Ukraine army base near Poland as it widens attacks
Rescued, but later died.
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They brought in polonium on a passenger plane then gave it to somebody in a public setting
And that wasn't considered an attack on NATO ... In fact the case ended with a fine of €100,000 and about €20k in legal costs
Not exactly article 5
I know, a lot of posters are stating article 5, if using biological weapons in the UK doesn’t trigger it then what else will they hide behind.
Some heavy bombing quite close to Poland border in recent days (15-20 km away). They've also been targeting groups where foreign volunteers where, the Canadian guy I drove to the border less than two weeks ago is returning already as it got too tense (probably a good decision).
Juyz usHate to see it but the second woman
Kyiv now has started to be shelled.
It's sad but the problem with this war is that Russians can inflict as much collateral damage as they want before they get what they want.
It's sad but the problem with this war is that Russians can inflict as much collateral damage as they want before they get what they want.
Why are you so keen for full scale war? They're not hiding behind a technicality, they rightly know what will happen if such a war starts so the red lines are set where they'd have to act.
Proving NATO to be an offensive alliance is just playing into Putin's hands.
I’m merely pointing out that article 5 is nonsense.
Only if you're talking in absolutes though and even then is what you describe "armed attack"?
Article 5 is mainly principle based and isn't so specific as to when it's triggered. For instance any response doesn't need to be a military response so the current actions could easily have fallen under it.
On the flip side it's been invoked well beyond it's remit several times so yeah there is freedom to invoke as they wish. I don't agree that's them hiding behind it though, if anything it's been used quietly to expand NATO forces in the baltics for years now.
It is not nonsense. But like all laws and rules it is hugely dependent on the power to be and their willingness to enact some policies.
If the UK had invoked article 5, Trump would have played it down and undermined the whole NATO alliance, it wasn’t a smart play back then.
You’ve basically said it’s nonsense, so an attack on one member isn’t an attack on all because it comes down to the appetite of each leader to engage in a joint mission and it will do going forward.
I hope a peaceful resolution is found soon regardless, it’s just mindless and heartless.
Interesting...
I said Trump was a clown. And of course Estonia can’t force the US to fully respect its commitments.
I know it might seem excessive for Biden to take the US to serious war on behalf of a small European country but at the same time there are massive stakes, if Biden were to ignore a military attack on a NATO member he would be harming the alliance’s credibility and sending his enemies (Russia and China) a message of weakness that he can’t afford.
I wonder what exactly these guys were expecting in their heads when they went out there?
I have asked myself the same question, particularly when they are not protected by the Geneva conventions.
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Apparently some British volunteer returned to the UK and the gist of his comments was that he underestimated Russia. He had Iraq/Afghanistan in his mind, but turned up to meet a conventional military. Which I guess...was a reality check for them.
This Youtuber & the elderly lady in the video claimed Ukrainian army planted a false flag attack in one of the villages.
I don’t see much in it. Better for Ukrainian officials to look into it.
I don’t see much in it. Better for Ukrainian officials to look into it.
The guy I was driving was planning to do strictly humanitarian work initially, and keep close to the western border where it felt it would have been safer. He was basically driving around picking people from eastern villages and getting them to the border. He always maintained he would return when it became dangerous, he just didn’t think it would be that fast.
A lot of people who wanted to go there that I spoke too were actually expecting to go straight on to frontline and from what I’m hearing many of them are also returning right now.
I reckon out of the rumored 20k less than 20% will be left after a month. For many of these guys Ukraine would be tough this time of year even without war.
I think there is a strongman image to the Putin admiration of these people based on this notion that he is the most powerful leader in the world who doesn't subscribe to "wokeness" but has a governing philosophy based on ancestral Christian traditions. I noticed it first a few months ago when he got a lot of praise among the alt-right brigade for his comments on transgender people.
Someone I know fits in this category. He told me he wants things to break up because it will be the catalyst for some revolution to spring out of the destruction. Hence he supports brexit, supports Russia in this conflict (because if they win in getting their aims NATO and the EU is redundant) etc. Funnily when I asked if he supports Scotland independence suddenly he's not so keen on a breakaway.
Most are ex military. I would be surprised if they don't know what they are getting themselves into. They are thinking fk Putin and Russians killing women and children thats what they are thinking
This story is just sad https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60734706
2500 killed in Mariupol so far officially, probably more due to starvation. My opinion means nothing and isn't popular, but I can see that sort of destruction occuring in other towns throughout Ukraine that resist. At some point you have to ask is it worth all the death.. life under Putin is shit but it's still a life.
2500 killed in Mariupol so far officially, probably more due to starvation. My opinion means nothing and isn't popular, but I can see that sort of destruction occuring in other towns throughout Ukraine that resist. At some point you have to ask is it worth all the death.. life under Putin is shit but it's still a life.
There’s a reason they’re allowing a “journalist” from America to freely roam around the Donetsk region.
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/202...unk-staged-pre-war-provocation-in-the-donbas/
A lot of them have a sudden appreciation for their "boring" way of living and have done the right thing and go back, their presence would have been a hindrance anyway. Another group is combat veterans who know exactly what to expect. A third is is current operators who have the plausible deniability cover now.