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Sounds his people are putting pressure on United to give him the keys.
The exhausting negativity even and signs of positive things is so tedious. What is the point of this interest if you just want to see the worst in every little thing all the time.
Ugh either of the other two from the shortlist would feel underwhelming now. I am not including Enrique as don't think he will move until after World Cup.
Our youth recruitment is much improved and we've made the FA Youth Cup final after 11 years. There's still work to do, but with appointments like Nick Cox in 2019 and Justin Cochrane in recent years, we can only improve further. We had fallen a long way behind the likes of Chelsea and City at Youth level and have caught up somewhat, but there's still improvements that are required. But now we've started to catch up because we saw the need to revamp and restructure, which has made it possible to not only entice the best youth players but also bring in the likes of the aforementioned people that are experienced at guiding the youth at a high level.
With all this said, are you going to honestly tell me Butt was less qualified than Fletcher for the technical director role? What makes Fletcher more qualified for that position since Murtough is this genius who is better equiped to hand out these roles?
Ta for that. Surely those kids will need better coaching to suit ETH?
Darren Fletcher to move downstairs?
Willing to bet it's PSG and Juve.
No disrespect to the 2, but even in our current state we should be more appealing than those 2.
We were able to interview ETH because Ajax knows he's leaving in the summer.
How on earth will they be able to interview Poch or Enrique in the immediate future.
How on earth will they be able to interview Poch or Enrique in the immediate future.
You never gone for a job interview whilst employed?
Isn't that considered tapping up in football?
What qualifications does one need to help at youth level when it comes to enticing/selling the club to youth players and their parents? Because that's what Fletcher's role is at youth level, which has been described by the club. He's also done a bit of coaching at youth level like Butt, but his role isn't as significant as you may think. The likes of Henny de Regt and Marcel Bout are likely more influential due to their experience at the top level. I have no doubt in my mind that the likes of de Regt and Bout will now have a far bigger say in who is appointed the next Head Coach, due to their experiences at the top of the game in comparison to Fletcher or even Butt if he was still here.
This isn't something we should lose our minds over and I hope you're open minded enough to think about it, rather than some on here who have decided that they will die on the hill but won't give credit to certain individuals because they aren't the ones that have been hyped up by the media at the sugar daddy clubs. With that mindset, people like Michael Edwards would never have flourished at Liverpool.
Mate, I enjoy your write ups. Keep it up! But you are wasting your time here. You are talking to Amadeus' alt account most likely.
We have a number of highly technical players that are showing high potential. So it would be more beneficial for us to hire ETH in that regard, because ETH looks to build his team around a style of play, which requires players to be of a high technical level. The higher the technical level, the more effective the implementation of the system will be.
Pochettino favours more of a high energy approach without heavy emphasis on positional play, whilst in possession of the ball. So it's easy to see why players like Wanyama and Sissoko were bought by Pochettino, which is mainly for their high energy to win the ball back quickly.
One thing I will say is that all young players benefit enormously from having a standardized system to stick to. The reason I imagine is when you are making a step up, there is a huge difference between reserves/first team. As such, most players have 0 experience and 0 mental clarity as to what they are supposed to do on a bigger stage. Having a proven system will make this transition a lot easier as it eliminates the uncertainty that comes from lack of experience at the top level. It's a lot easier when you constantly know what to do, as opposed to constantly making decisions on how to progress the play.
That's why LVG was so good with youth. He had a "system" where the likes of McNair, Blacket, Varela all looked decent for a good amount of time.
Now imagine how players like Amad, Pellistri, Laird, Hannibal, Shoretire, Elanga and even Savage would benefit by being coached by ETH.
In your opinion. I rate Pochettino solely on the work done at Tottenham and Southampton, what happens at PSG is another sport, it’s showbiz. Ferguson wouldn’t last there for three weeks, he’d be sick and tired of everything. Ten Hag is a manager for a superior team in a semi-professional league, huge question-marks over his true ability to do the same in the biggest league in the world. Going from easy to extremely difficult and ten times the pressure from media, everyone, as well as moving to a new country and culture.. again, nothing is certain with ETH.
Who knows, it clearly happens all the time though.
'Tapping up' (or you know, seeing if a player is actually interested in joining your club before you go wasting your time trying to negotiate with their club) being seen as a bad thing seems to be unique to football. It always strikes me as an odd hangover from the pre-bosman era.
Does tapping up even apply to managers?
I'm open minded but remain skeptical until I see the good work you speak of behind the scenes come to fruition because from my viewpoint it's the same messy united under a different guise. Ten Hag or whoever takes the helm has a hell of a job ahead. I see absolutely no reason why Fletcher should be in his role over Butt no matter how you paint it. He's there because he's a former player for me not on merit. The fact RR doesn't know Fletcher's role doesn't bode well with me, and your subtle dismissal of RR's role altogether tells another story. I enjoyed your thorough and well put response and I thank you for it.
Not if he applied
Another thing is obviously Ajax agreed to it. They always let players move on when they attract attention from bigger clubs and I’m sure there the same with the manager
This seems a bit premature. The club are evidently briefing that ETH is just one of four possible candidates and that there are no front runners at this stage. They also appear to be intent on conducting a proper selection process and interviewing all four (one down, three still to go).
Ten Hag may well get it, but there's nothing to indicate that he has already got it.
The interview was definitely done with Ajax's permission
Helps to keep a good relationship with clubs
Helps to keep a good relationship with clubs
As I said 2 posts above it was obvious Ajax agreed. They really are a classy club produce top talent then let them move on
Imagine we interview the bald messiah and still end up going for Poch 
Imagine interviewing Klopp and Pep then ending up with Moyes that would be hilariousImagine we interview the bald messiah and still end up going for Poch
Let alone Edwin is in charge there, of course United are going to be in communication with him.
I can see it now: "Pochettino has impressed the Manchester United board so much he is now the front runner for the job". I just know it.
The only thing that should give anyone at the club pause for thought over hiring ETH is if Luis Enrique said he wanted to come and manage us after the world cup.
But even then I think I'd take the bigger gamble on ETH, and if it doesnt work out a couple of years down the line hope Enrique is available.
But even then I think I'd take the bigger gamble on ETH, and if it doesnt work out a couple of years down the line hope Enrique is available.
How highly rated is Lopetegui ?
I know his time at Madrid was pretty much a disaster.
I know his time at Madrid was pretty much a disaster.
There's a few twists or turns to come yet. We do love to make everything into a bloody soap opera for some reason.
I know that dooming is fashionable on caf, but even if we wanted Poch we still have to deal with PSG. The same PSG who is rumored to want a compensation for him and the same PSG that turned down 100+million for Mbape last summer.
Sevilla fans don't rate his football. According to them they play tumescent and lethargic pragmatic footy. If we are looking for continuation and not disrupting the status quo, then we should definitely go for him.
To me Enrique has City written all over him. Imagine agreeing for us to wait for him, only City to announce him as Pep's successor.
I'd rather we take ETH now than risk getting Enrique after the world cup.
I've been catching flak but I still think this whole charade is a smokescreen to force Poch to quit PSG quickly in order to get the United job. None of the recent fake news leaks have changed my mind.
I hope I'm wrong and Ten Hag and Rangnick are involved for next season.
I hope I'm wrong and Ten Hag and Rangnick are involved for next season.
Of course it's done with Ajax permission as it wouldn't be so public. The question is why it became so public even with their blessing. No chance in hell PSG allows such a public interview. In any case, certainly its better to interview people and finish the whole process in silence.
No wonder there is a leak in Holland now about ten Hag having two other offers.
No wonder there is a leak in Holland now about ten Hag having two other offers.
It's weird even by our standards. Usually manager negotiations go under the radar. LVG and Mou came out of the blue and that was when Woody was in charge.
I think it's just pure PR to differentiate themselves from Woody's regime. It's as if to tell us: see, we are doing our due dilligence and not rushing with the appointment like the previous regime. See, we are listening to the fans and made the fan choice the #1 interviewee, etc etc
Let's see how this is going to end up. One thing is for certain: I hope ETH is paying attention to how much pressure there is here compared to Ajax. Look at the insane amounts of clicks just a basic interview generated. Now imagine what happens when he gets confirmed. Good luck Erik!
Yeah, it's strange and only reason I can think of would be same as yours in terms of doing a bit of PR before official announcement.
In any case, am somewhat hopeful we already done the deal or we are close to doing it.
That's absolutely fine mate and I can understand you being sceptical. And that's a perfectly normal stance to take. But don't you think it would be fair for us to wait and then evaluate the work of Murtough and his team? They've (the recruitment team) never from my understanding been given such a major say in setting the direction when it comes to the first team. That honour was always left to the first team manager who was also allowed to bring in his own recruitment staff.
I don't know if Murtough and his team will be successful. But what I do know with the benefit of hindsight, is that clubs who are successful in the modern game, have their recruitment department, control the direction and decision making on the football side of the club, with input from the head coach. The head coach's role is to primarily focus on the training ground/match days and squad management. And that hasn't happened at this club, until possibly now, if reports are to be believed with Murtough taking control. And that's not Murtough on his own taking control, but he's also making the likes of Marcel Bout, Henny de Regt, Jim Lawlor and Mick Court extremely influential when it comes to the decision making process, which should be noted. Bout and de Regt have experience of working at at Ajax for 18 years (de Regt) and being a coach/analyst under Jupp Heynckes
(Bout) at Bayern. Jim Lawlor is vastly experienced and has been a prominent member of the staff since 2005. Mick Court who I admittedly know very little of, is the Head of data analytics and has been at the club since 2011. So both Lawlor and Court have been at the club when we've won the big titles.
And one thing I must say, is that John Murtough may or may not succeed at the task at hand. But he's never been a Glazer guy. Murtough's actually worked his way up from the 1990s, when he was part of Everton's youth staff, which resulted in them winning the 1998 FA Youth Cup. He then was hired by multiple other clubs in the early to mid 2000s where his job was to modernise the scouting/youth and data analytics departments. He was eventually hired by the Premier League where he was the Head of Elite performance. Which is basically him making sure things are running at a optimal level. Murtough has got to where he's got to through his hard work and dedication in understanding the running of football in the modern game. And it was Moyes who brought him to the club, because Moyes has always been a coach that has been ahead of the game when it comes to understanding the complexities of a recruitment structure in the modern game and the data analytics aspect. Murtough's job at Everton in his early career as a youth analyst saw him promoted by the late Walter Smith to the first team as analyst before Moyes arrived in 2002, as described by Laurie Whitwell in the below article.
The Athletic: Coleman, who led Wales to the Euro 2016 semi-finals and is now managing Atromitos in the Greek top flight, tells The Athletic: “(Murtough was) easily one of my better signings since I’ve been a manager. He has really good qualities. Proper fella. Intelligent, integrity, hard worker, bright personality.
“You can trust him. He knows his football. Just because he never played for Man United doesn’t mean he can’t do the job he’s doing.”
It was Murtough who appointed Gary Brazil as Fulham Under-18s manager. Brazil would go on to play a major role in youth development at Nottingham Forest, bringing through the likes of now full internationals Matty Cash and Ben Brereton Diaz.
Coleman took Murtough with him when he was named Coventry City manager in 2008 before Moyes got in touch six months later offering a return to Merseyside.
"Everton had moved to a new training ground at Finch Farm, with their academy and first team housed on the same site, and Moyes wanted someone to bring the whole operation together and also add to the club’s European recruitment network".
"Murtough also oversaw Everton’s Elite Player Performance Plan (EPPP) audits. The brainchild of Ged Roddy, the Premier League’s then director of youth, EPPP changed the terrain of youth development in 2012 by bringing in a set of criteria to rank academies from category one to four. It meant professionalising the process and spotting any gaps in education or training that needed filling".
"Roddy saw Murtough’s submission and hired him to assist coaches at other clubs who were struggling to get what was in their heads down on paper".
"Then, in May 2013, Ferguson retired, and Woodward asked successor Moyes for recommendations about a hire to cover academy and scouting departments. United’s new manager proposed Murtough"
https://theathletic.com/3127282/202...-man-tasked-trying-fix-manchester-united/?amp
Tapping up is the issue. It can go hand in hand with match fixing if you just open the floodgate to allow club to talk to player under contract without his current club permission. Imagine no hold bar when player talk to direct rival club and reveal tactic ahead of important games because no legal boundary.
Going behind other clubs, without permission, does happen all the time, but with the regulation in place, where it allows the owner clubs legal ground to punish the players; this in turn keep players in line for most part since they don't want a situation where the transfer never materialize and they're stuck being left out of the squad; or even worse being tried for match fixing and has their career destroyed.
Managers are a bit different due to the nature of their role. You don't want an unprofessional manager who easily distracted, and readily abandon their post, his duty and his troops. There would be no productive talk with a focused, professional manager who is understandably busy with the job in front of him; all in while you can get legally punished. So better off going the formal route by asking for permission, and work with the schedule. The other club most of the time wouldn't stand in the way if the manager does want to leave, simply because it's pointless to keep hold of an unhappy manager.
Once the manager show desire to leave, it's all about damage control for the club from that moment onward. Even when a manager stay committed and does his best at his current job, the result is not guaranteed. You don't want to leave it all muddy, not fully know where the problem is (is it the manager? Or the players? Which players? Or just bad luck or strong competition this time?...) after said manager eventually leave. Even if the manager performing, eventually he would leave once his contract expire anyways. How do you expect to plan ahead with a new manager when you leave thing unsolved right now. You would have a hard time convince your potential next manager to come at few years down the road. Thing changes so fast, and fickly in this role. No manager can give an agreement to one specific club way ahead of time to risk his job security in between.
All in all, when an active manager go doing these official interview with other clubs, it's his desire for a new club, and with his current club permission. Would be interesting to see if Poch doing these kind of interview any time soon.
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I think our new manager appointment is imminent. However, I don't know whether ETC would be the appointment.
I think this PR means to ease the fan unrest about the repeat of Ole permanent appointment debacle, where the people with the responsibility, didn't consider other managers (Did we inquire, interview anyone that time?), and give Ole the job based on the result at hand without considering his vision, philosophy, coaching background. All in which became his undoing in longer run, and now is our problem.
Without this drastic measure of PR, different portion of the fan base can't be at ease with any appointment because fan have grown distrust to the people at the club.
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