I have to laugh seeing the same people who argued Ole assembled a great squad saying now these players weren't wanted by him.
Solskjaer's legacy and his future
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If we look what he did as interim manager I can’t say that managment did wrong thing to hire him. Were there managers with better CV? Yes. On other hand, just because you got great CV doesn’t mean it will go well. We can just look at managers before Solskjaer. That is why I say that having right manager is more important.
You can try to undermine Solskjaer with Cardiff but we know the facts when he took them and in what state they were. But sure, keep blaming Solskjaer for that.
While you have exact quote which says: "He was my no1 target"
Serious? I’ve already said to you that no manager would say we couldn’t get (player) so we bought this. Ofcourse they will say that every player is wanted and that we watched him since he was young kid. It works like that.
And again…. Who was a better alternative at that time? DDG was probably the only alternative. I think it was reasonable not to go for a GK, and especially Mr Silent DDG.
What irritates me the most is we didn’t buy 1-2 defensive/central midfielders, and second that we wasted money on DVB.
AWB, Telles, Maguire, Cavani, Bruno have all been descent signings until the whole team collapsed this season.
Was posted in the Rangnick thread, but also relevant to the conversation going on here?
Should Ole have been sacked when we was? Yes, maybe even a little bit sooner.
Did he deserve to start this season even though we lost the EL final on pens, yes imho.
It'll be interesting to see after the summer how many of his signings remain, and how many of the past ones move on. And then see how we kick it on under the new manager (from the summer).
That said, I was a fan of Rangnick as a caretaker when it was clear Ole had to go. But at this point I wonder if we wouldn't have been better off letting him stay the season and then hand it over.
Should Ole have been sacked when we was? Yes, maybe even a little bit sooner.
Did he deserve to start this season even though we lost the EL final on pens, yes imho.
It'll be interesting to see after the summer how many of his signings remain, and how many of the past ones move on. And then see how we kick it on under the new manager (from the summer).
That said, I was a fan of Rangnick as a caretaker when it was clear Ole had to go. But at this point I wonder if we wouldn't have been better off letting him stay the season and then hand it over.
At least they won some trophies apart from Moyes who was sacked in his first year. Ole won git all. Was an also ran in everything.
He was 17th in the championship with relegation form when he was sacked and they finished the season on 11th place under Russell Slade (currently working as consultant for League 2 club Stevenage). The next season under Slade they finish 8th. Under Ole they would be fighting for promotion in League One. Explain that
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I used to put him as the main reason why the team failed. But now I realized he was also in a situation where he was surounded by dickhead crybaby players and Ole himself was always supportive of them. If he was not being nice I reckon the same players that moaned about Ralf/ETH would have done the same thing to Ole. Snakes the lof of them. Snakes with no trophy. Should have been sacked regardless as he was given plenty of time to sort it out.
Undermine him with Cardiff? The cult of OgS has to be the strangest thing in footballing history. Now he’s not to blame for relegating Cardiff then leading them to mighty 17th in the Championship before getting sacked.
I’m sorry but I’m not Scandinavian and he is not even close to my biggest idol. If I have one in football. Not sure about that.
We can talk about projects and money involved but you still need people doing right things to get it all work.
Yes they won. And still, the fans wanted them out. So as a manager you can’t win becasue you will get criticism one way or other. As you see, it is not Solskjaer that I’m defending. It i actually managers.
So you give a guy not even half year and expect miracles. You need time as a manager. Since Solskjaer got sacked from there I see that they came back to Premier League and won Premier League and Champions League. Right?
Lots of biggest managers have got sacked. Not once but lots of times. Doesn’t really say anything.
You are aware in what state they were? Of course he is not to blame. It is like blaming Rangnick for not having us in top 3 now.
I mean this Slade dude that came after him to become Cardiff manager managed to bring them to 11th place without any preparation taking over after the season started.....
What ? So according to your logic if Ole had not been sacked and given time in Cardiff he would came back to EPL and won the league and UCL with them ??
Maybe if you can stop gobbling his ballsack you can see he is just not a good manager at all. He won zilch with Molde on his 2nd stint and his replacement directly won the league on his first season.
Keep missunderstanding what I meant.I mean this Slade dude that came after him to become Cardiff manager managed to bring them to 11th place without any preparation taking over after the season started.....
What ? So according to your logic if Ole had not been sacked and given time in Cardiff he would came back to EPL and won the league and UCL with them ??
Maybe if you can stop gobbling his ballsack you can see he is just not a good manager at all. He won zilch with Molde on his 2nd stint and his replacement directly won the league on his first season.
I am just spitting the facts. Please correct my previous comment if there is anything factually wrong.
This explains a lot, and thanks for posting and being honest. Always thought his Molde achievement was nothing special. Cardiff and three wasted years here is what his real level is. Crap.
You are saying that my logic is that he would won PL or CL if given time with Cardiff. Nowhere did I say that. What I tried to give you hint is that they are still in Championship. So how come nobody made them Premier League team if they were so good they should be playing there?
It is always nothing special when other does. No need to comment more about his Molde time. You can take time and talk to people involved there if you want to know how important he was.
Come off it will you. You just said it yourself, Matip Gomez and VanDijk were injuried for more than half a season. Imagine Ole without Maguire Lindelof Bailly for the same time. Liverpool had 52 points with the same amount of games this time last year, compared to 73 right now. Chelsea had 54, that's how we got second, they both had disastrous seasons.
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The wheels were visibly falling off coming up to his full time contract. We lost 0-2 to Cardiff in May 2019. Our final game of the season.
He never should have been hired.
So, Ralf admits that he and Ole are not good leaders of men?
What players was this?
I remember "local businessman" Røkke (one of Norway's richest people) giving a lot of money to the club, sure. Big part of that was the new stadium, £23m or so it cost, opened in 1998, Ole joined in 2011. And yes he also gave around £25m more in cash to the club throughout the years to help make them competitive. But if you look at the transfers in and out the years before/after their first ever league wins, there are no significant big names that went on to have better careers elsewhere in bigger leagues. And the majority of their "big" sales (~£1-3m) were Norwegians. Of course they start in the Norwegian league until their talent outgrows the league.
The Norwegian league has always been a springboard league for foreign players looking to get a foothold in Europe, especially for African players, but this is true for all of the clubs in Norway, not Molde alone.
Neil Warnock got them promotion in 2017/18, thus they’ve been promoted since OgS was fired so the club is capable of promotion & staying in the league [they did so for a season]. OgS failed to save them from relegation & had them in 17th for the mighty Neil fecking Warnock to do what he couldn’t a few years later.
Teams over & underachieve all the time, why people excuse OgS for continually underachieving is honestly the thing of a cult. He isn’t that good, Cardiff being a yo-yo team is irrelevant.
That is thing. How did he underachive? Lack of trophies are not good. We can agree on that. Now comes the question, did anyone think We were better then Liverpool and Man City when he took over? Even Chelsea? Did you think We could win League instantly? Were We best team in Europe to win there?
So where did We underachive before this season?
One that’s willing to adapt to new tactics, good team spirit, flexible. It’s vague but still clear
Do you think managers are capable of doing equally good jobs in any club, regardless of situation, ambition, expectations?
Do you think Pep would've saved Cardiff from relegation? Or Norwich?
Maybe right. But I think what he is saying is lots of players without commitment. Still a lot of work to be done, and fans should be happy we have Ole, Rangnick and Ten Haag communicating on this.. Some fans really don’t understand the state United are in..
That season Cardiff sold their entire spine of players. They had a newly composed team, and from what Ben Turner later came out with, they had a owner trying to pick the team. Ole didn’t finish 17. He lost two games with that team to teams going into play offs, and one got promoted. And played one draw, after a horrible mistake by Mark Hudson inn the last minutes. They where 17 after7 games. Seven/7 games mate.. I don’t know how people lacking so much fact keep arguing invalid points..
I could care less if Pep ‘could’ have done it, it’s another ridiculous subversion from the topic. How about instead of ridiculous whataboutisms we focus on what happened.
Solskjær was the manager when Cardiff were relegated, he was subsequently fired the season after with the club in 17th. Let’s say we forgive the relegation because of ‘situation, ambition, expectations’ how is a relegated side with better resources in comparison to their competition in the Championship being in 17th acceptable? It wasn’t so he was justly fired. So he didn’t fail in the EPL [hmm] then he certainly did a terrible job in the Championship the folllowing year, no? or ‘situation, ambition, expectations’.
We lost multiple competitions where we were not in direct competition with City, Liverpool or Chelsea though. The squad is a result of some hefty spending he resided over so I would say it is in large part down to him that the squad he left wasn’t closer to those teams than when he took over.
If you want to concede the league during his tenure then fine we then have to judge him on different metrics. We weren’t the best team in Europe but we weren’t competing with the best teams in Europe when he was out coached in successive Europa League Semi’s/Finals & the FA Cup against Leicester last year.
Were Chelsea the best team in Europe last year? OgS finished 2nd last season [I wouldn’t have called us the 2nd best team in the League] but as we did finish 2nd was the start to the season not an ‘underachievement’? The whole ‘not as good on paper as’ argument as an excuse for OgS is tiring, we were generally ok against teams around/above us where he continued to underachieve was against teams/managers he had greater sources than.
No one said they finished 17th, he was sacked in 17th but yes it’s always someone else’s fault. Speaking of invalid points, feel free to address how managers/teams overachieve all the time outperforming perceived resources but OgS needed a kings ransom & an injury crisis to finish 2nd with United then the wheels fell off a while later.
We can all get passionate on forums, the facts are he’s young enough to go on & have a successful managerial career, feel free to come back at me when he’s hired by another of Europes ‘elites’ & does a better job.
Sold their entire spine. . . Cause relegated teams don’t lose their better players only Cardiff, poor OgS.
Your post isn’t addressing the post I made but thanks anyway.
Ignorance is always someone’s bliss No, not poor. He left because his owner tries to dictate who to play and who to buy. He said NO, and was sacked.. It’s well documented, for anyone trying to bring some valid points into their agenda.Ole did a really good job here, trying to get the club back on track. And we need both Rangnick giving Ten Haag input, and the work to continue. A few online fans unhappy won’t change that fact..
Ignorance is indeed always someone’s bliss.
Seeing his tenure there he would have them fighting in League One now. You also cant deny the facts that his successor in Cardiff and Molde on his second stint did better than him in any possible metric. Plus Neil Warnock the great got them to PL.
Just leave em be man. They are too busy gobbling Ole's ballsack to see the facts
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Jesus Christ people need to shut up about his second stint. Molde had NEVER won the league before Ole came in. After he came in the won a fair few trophies and punched above their weight in the EL.
There’s plenty of valid criticism to be made of Ole, but ffs shut up about Molde, he certainly didn’t do poorly with them.
Why ? Did it never happen so we cant talk about it ? The fact is his successor won the league with Molde immediately after he went to United. I know you are Norwegian and of course you naturally will support him, but to think he is a great manager is baffling.
Spot on.
Some mangers doe their due diligence better than other managers and only go for low risk projects.
Dyche, Potter, Bielsa and Ranieri are examples of managers who have done incredible jobs with their PL teams, and all of them had to leave their post because they at some point struggled to keep the fire burning.
Have they lost their managerial skills or did the situation change because something outside the manager’s control?
The manager is off course the person who have to take responsibility for bad results. That’s not necessarily the same as controlling all factors behind bad results.
I have deep respect for managers who go for a real challenge and doesn’t only go for no brainers in order to build up their own reputation.
Ole spent some serious money.
I’d say he’s had more of a detrimental effect on the side than Mourinho, yet is able to disappear into relative obscurity.
I’d say he’s had more of a detrimental effect on the side than Mourinho, yet is able to disappear into relative obscurity.
Can’t not thing about him seeing Maguire’s blunders. What a damage he did to the club
So taking over an Ole team and getting them to play football is possible. Maybe we should have got that guy as interim