The only other famous Norwegian to manage a PL team was Egil Olsen (Wimbledon).So taking over an Ole team and getting them to play football is possible. Maybe we should have got that guy as interim
Solskjaer's legacy and his future
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He got a lot of backing to change things around? The larger part of the first eleven was his his signings.
Being the first to do something is easier than doing it after it’s been done already.
And feck off in dragging in my nationality, such a cheap thing to do. As is your straw manning me as having said he’s a great manager. All I’m saying is you downplayed stuff in a disingenuous way, and I bet you’ve never sat through a Tippeliga match in your life.
So, by your own logic Ole is far superior manager to Mourinho because once he took over he won several games on the trot?
By what metric ? Biggest bullshit I have ever read. If it was easy why he won zilch during his 3 years second stint there ? So much for easy right. Why so butthurt then if not because of your nationality ? He's a bad manager end of line. How about his Cardiff stint ? His replacement end up in 11th place and 8th place the next season.
Definitely, me too. People love to make fun of Allardyce but he loves a scrap and usually does quite well in such jobs. Same with Benitez. Both are true mercenaries and go for the money but if there weren't managers, then what? Nobody will manage Stoke City as I doubt any manager dreams of taking charge of the Britannia Stadium....
Pep may have tremendous results but it's much like when Hakkinen and Coulthard were just trashing F1 when the Silver Arrows were head and shoulders above the competition. It doesn't make Hakkinen a bad driver, just not as impressive as Max Verstappen right now, for example. Or Vettel when he won his first GPs with a far inferior car.
If that’s what you got from my post your dumber than your posts appear. Absolute cretinous retort. First Pep, now Mourinho, further whataboutisms because you can’t actually justify OgS’s United managerial career on its own merits.
Stick to the topic lad.
Some people here are just balls deep in the Ole hole you cant talk any sense into them.
All you need to know about his 'legacy' is that he made Maguire captain.
Like his captain, pathetic manager.
Like his captain, pathetic manager.
I am not the one who is comparing different situations, different timelines and what-not. The facts are very clear. Ole is our best manager in terms of league performance since SAF retired.
He’s literally thrown around 2 managers who [despite Jose’s current plight] have won more in their managerial careers than OgS can fathom. I’m all for a discussion on the subject but posters aren’t sticking to the discussion at hand instead throwing around a bunch of whataboutisms. Look at the guy below. . .
When was this your argument? You’re all over the place.
The fact remains we finished 2nd because of quite clear extenuating circumstances & once things righted themselves he couldn’t last till the New Year. ‘in terms of league performance’, why the caveat? Oh yes, because if you don’t add silly stipulations then your house of cards falls down at first appraisal.
Jose finished 2nd with our highest post-SAF points total you fool. They say criticise the post not the poster so your post is an idiot.
I’m not butthurt, just sick of seeing people throw the Molde thing in there as if his legacy there was ultimately bad, which is absolute hogwash and has been repeated so many times by people who, like I said, have no clue about or interest in Norwegian football or Molde.
Not interested in getting into the rest. Ole’s United collapsed, and he has to take a lot of the blame. I’m done rehashing further details for the umpteenth time when Ole’s been gone for half a year.
So, under Ole we were second because others were not better. But that wasn't the case under Mou? Yeah, I'm the one with the whataboutisms...
So now we’re on about Jose in 17/18 because you still can’t justify OgS’s managerial career here on its own merit. If you’d like to discuss the 17/18 season under Jose we can do that in another thread but don’t make statements like. . .
Then get upset when you’re factually proven wrong.
This is an OgS thread, it’s telling how you continue to make it about everything but the man in question.
Go see what league finishes we had under Mou and Ole and then talk about who had a better performance
Jose being bad doesn’t make OgS a success though as they’re not mutually exclusive. Jose failed as Manchester United manager as did OgS. Look at the tenures as a whole, Jose had the best season & won cups that OgS couldn’t. It’s a choice between shit & shitter, but in this case OgS is the latter.
Again, if you want to discuss Jose let’s do so in another thread.
A team of actual footballers and not entitled children
You seem hellbent to move the goalposts just because it doesn't suit your agenda.
I said Ole is the most successfulanager since SAF retired and my criteria is as objective as they come: league finishes.
You ignore that. Cool.
Yeah I too suspect the moaning and abuse will continue for months yet.
He had to go after that Watford game as he'd clearly lost the players faith. But hypothetically had he stayed on it's hard to imagine we'd have been any worse off than the atrocious form the team has shown since Rangnick took over.
Give us a fecking break, 3,5 years 400m spent and won feck all. Not a single thing in three years, Successful..
Just baffles me how these people can think that a manager that won nothing during his regime, shits the bed in the final, left the squad with expensive deadwoods, let the squad mentality rot is the best manager post SAF
Yay for 2nd place trophy I guess. What a fecking joke. Go suck him more I guess. 3 years 400m down the drain 0 trophy and we need a real reboot now instead of his "cultural reboot bollox".
Everywhere else the barometer for success as a manager is winning trophies. You ignore that. Cool.
I'm sure FSG are regretting not sacking Klopp after his lost finals.Just baffles me how these people can think that a manager that won nothing during his regime, shits the bed in the final, left the squad with expensive deadwoods, let the squad mentality rot is the best manager post SAF
Yay for 2nd place trophy I guess. What a fecking joke. Go suck him more I guess. 3 years 400m down the drain 0 trophy and we need a real reboot now instead of his "cultural reboot bollox".
Everywhere else the barometer for success as a manager is winning trophies. You ignore that. Cool.
And if you watch football for the trophies, I guess you only watch 5 games all season.
Well, I watch every game. And to me league performance is what matters. And steady progress. Which was evident until this season.
Everybody can make their own mind about what happened this season.
Yeah, he should've put himself penalty taker 11. I give you that.
Even blind people can saw Klopp's team improvement on pitch performance and style of play. Did Klopp go 3 years with 0 trophy ? How bout your great Ole ? 3 years 0 result 0 style of play 400m down the drain. Maybe you should go support whatever team he managed next if any seeing how much you liked him.
One of the biggest mistakes Ole made was not actually playing the style he claimed to be building for. Now that we're trying to push up and attack our defensive balance gets exposed like crazy. We are so damn porous through the middle.
Imo Parking the bus made these issues look more fixable than untenable. It should have been way more urgent than even signing more attackers. I dont know if Ole just couldn't resist the video game signings or he had no clue about functional signings.
Imo Parking the bus made these issues look more fixable than untenable. It should have been way more urgent than even signing more attackers. I dont know if Ole just couldn't resist the video game signings or he had no clue about functional signings.
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Ole had 2 opurtuinies to win EL with his 300 m squad. He failed both times. One time in semis, second time in finals. Any decent man with some morals would walk away.
If you can not win EL with UTD (twice) maybe you should go and play with legos.
He was so bad, and in my honest opinion I think that we need new squad. Not just first 11.
If you can not win EL with UTD (twice) maybe you should go and play with legos.
He was so bad, and in my honest opinion I think that we need new squad. Not just first 11.
I'm not sure if my view is similar or opposite, but here it is:
Personally I think Ole built one of the best counter attacking teams in world football. Thats no small thing. Yeah, it was one note and yeah it got us into trouble, but it was what he was good at doing. He wasn't tactically inept, just limited.
Then we had that summer gone. I don't know if it was the profile of the players, or the constant media "we can't keep playing like this" narrative, but Ole didn't have the nerve to keep playing the cards he had, and instead tried to convince everyone he was holding something altogether different.
The fact he told us to press Liverpool.. I mean I completely accept that stupidity is a valid appraisal of that decision, but I think it was a combination of naivety, lack of experience and buckling under pressure.
He thought that that summer window made us far better than we actually were. He told the team to do something that no one in the squad was capable of. He tried to win a certain way before this team could take winning at all as granted. I hope he's learnt his lesson and does well somewhere else, because the stick he got over tactics despite some standout tactical wins is very harsh.
Now we have a team of players who might have been able to play the Ole way, only that way stopped existing because Ole himself burnt it up. Everything else that's happened this season is just a series of bomb drops on top of a wreckage he made of his own steady work. Kinda sad that the good that he did got so fecked by the bad.
feck one of, the very best imo.
More fool you, it was a good post.
There was no steady progress at all. We were inconsistent and would put in as many bad performances as good ones. We often struggled to win and half the time a penalty got us the points. We were a foundation built on sand which is why it was no surprise to see everything fall apart this season. Some people were so desperate to see an ex player take us back to the top they couldn't (and still can't) see the wood from the trees where Solskjaer is concerned.
No there wasn't. We choked cups for season on season. We kept getting double digits off first. That's not progress. That's getting worse.
Steady progress to what ? We are the most underachieving side in world football and have been cemented as such with Ole signings like AWB and Maguire.
Go check what did Klopp win in his first 3 seasons with Liverpool
You’re one of the most disingenuous posters I’ve come across here & that’s saying something. There are no goalposts to move, you argument was about Pep, then Mourinho, now you’re on about league finishes.
Objectivity doesn’t caveat performances. If the league is all that matters then Jose has had the best post-Fergie league performance.
It’s funny you claim i’m ignoring league performances when you’re ignoring multiple collapses in the latter stages of the Europa League versus teams he had far greater resources than & similar losses in the domestic cups. OgS did worse in the FA Cups than LvG, worse in the League, Europa & League Cup than Jose. There’s no objection to fact.
The only person trying to move the goalposts is the one dismissing key losses & claiming the league is all that matters only to ignore the best post-Fergie league finish. You’re even trying to belittle Klopp now. It’s fan such as yourself that make it clear we deserve the dire situation we’re in, you don’t care about the club just your favourites.
Yeah he brought Liverpool into EL and League Cup final in his first season. His third season UCL final. Ole ?
The progress Liverpool showed when Klopp took over was blindingly obvious. They played some excellent football but had a few glaring weaknesses, notably in defence and the keeper. Once he identified players needed to fill those positions they became a complete team. Since then he's worked on strengthening the squad and now they can compete in every competition. That's what you call genuine progress, not the false dawn path of progress that we've seen at United multiple times.
Imagine the delusion comparing Klopp and Ole tenure
. This guy is gobbling Ole ballsack like his life depends on it.Comparing Ole and Klopp a season or 2 ago was ridiculous then and absolutely mind blowing now.