We were never a dominant force under any of those managers, now you're just straight up lying to defend Rangnick. Are you trolling or just deluded?
Solskjaer's legacy and his future
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I think you missed a mountain of sarcasm.
He's been defending Rangnick with crazy reasons for hours now.
One of the worst managers in the club's history. He built a shite squad and let them get to these fitness and mentality levels. The players are shite too to be fair, but Ole was just awful in so many ways.
Forgot the best one pal. "Trophies are for ego." When he said this I know he is the biggest fecking loser mentality manager in the league. You can ask any sunday league coaches and no one would say that bollox crap
Three years of progress rot.
So a question to Ole fanboys here. Has Ole improved anything in the club during his glorious tenure ? We are in a worse state than before his appointment. Not a single position in the field is fixed
agreed. not sure what people expected from Ralph - although I have to admit I'm glad he's not getting the job full time
No. It was 17mil+ add ons which we will never have to pay by the looks of it.
Who just gave Bruno 250k a week when he was on a long term contract on a 100k anyway? I really doubt Ralph had any influence on the decision.
A great fecking start for the next manager. If Bruno's bad spell continues the next manager is stuck with him.
I'm looking forward to your excuses when Ten Hag is sacked in approximately 24 months 
Another side issue fans gloss over is what we saw last night was culminating for years as ole and mourinho constantly had us surrendering possession to the likes of Liverpool and City with the hope of nicking something so it is no surprise that we see a team getting absolutely outplayed when it is all they have known how to play against Liverpool for so long and it is going to be hard for this group of players to change their mentality going into the same game again
Ralf basically says the same thing regarding physicality and yet Ole gets laughed at for saying more or less the same thing.
Basically these players do not give a single feck.
Like Jose was for Smalling and Jones' contracts despite buying Lindelof the summer before and then literally having the biggest Jose hissy fit ever the summer after when we didn't sanction a move for another one? Or when we gave Bailly a new deal a month or two before we bought Varane, despite Ole hardly playing him?
And that's before we get to Bruno getting a contract when we haven't even got a manager.
I wonder who consulted the club on that one?
Hilarious. I can't believe you lot are still trying to pin it on the guy who got 2nd and 3rd with pretty much this set of players. Where is the logic that the person who objectively performed better is the one who is at fault? What happened to "this team should be challenging" and "any decent manager would be doing better"? I'm sure the expectations for this season thread is still around somewhere, I wonder how many were saying we'd be losing in the rat race for 4th?
Also, you do know that after Ole, Carrick actually did a lot to stabilise the club and put us on something of an even keel, with his three games being Chelsea, Villarreal and Arsenal? We were 2 or 3 points off fourth when RR came in, and were coming into our easiest run of the season (a run which I am absolutely positive Ole would have done better with), and what has been the end result? All Ralf had to do was to keep things ticking over, and on that front he has abjectly failed.
I think at a time like this, this Twitter thread is perfect reading:
So many of those sentiments have been apparent in this thread from the start, and so many of them have been disproven, and yet, just like the Twitter accounts, almost all of you are stubborn to admit you were perhaps a tad harsh on the last guy and are consistently shifting the goalposts.
Ole performed miracles getting this team to 3rd and 2nd in consecutive seasons. And for all the criticism of him only being about 'good vibes', that's obviously what this squad needs. His legacy is getting better with every game.
When Mourinho finished 2nd and won the Europa League, that was also down to Ole.
We get it. Ole fanboys dont like Ralf. Of course you don't. Because he's done a perfect job busting the last myth of the Ole cult - that he left behind a good group of players, a squad just a few tweaks from winning titles, complete with all the proper DNA and culture and vibes and all that vacuous shit.
No, what we've learned is Ole left behind a squad so unhappy with his broken promises and failed vision that more than half want to leave. Which is actually a blessing because more than half of the squad Ole built with £400m are not fit to wear the shirt.
No, what we've learned is Ole left behind a squad so unhappy with his broken promises and failed vision that more than half want to leave. Which is actually a blessing because more than half of the squad Ole built with £400m are not fit to wear the shirt.
Dont be daft. When he was here the narrative among his most most outspoken critics was that this was a very talented squad and it was down to lack of coaching, so any decent coach would have us flying. And im not blaming RR either. Its clear that there is something really fecking wrong here and just pinning all the blame on the managers wont get us anywhere.
Ole made some howlers of course. Signing Maguire for that price and giving him the armband was a disaster in hindsight. AWB looks like a bad transfer as well, but in both cases we can get back most of the money we forked out for them. DvB was a fecking weird transfer considering he sat on his arse 95% of the time
But if he was that incompetent, how did he manage back to back top 4 places? You cant luck your way into CL spots in the PL twice.
People blame him for keeping Lingaard and Jones around and giving fat contracts with stupid wages to players who didnt deserve them, but do you really think the manager has full autonomy over who comes and goes in the squad? Over the budget and player salaries?
This nightmare circus have been going on since 2013. We have had 5 managers since then. Do you think its reasonable to assume that maybe part of the problem lies elsewhere? AFAIK we contacted Klopp before the dippers did and its a reason he chose them.
Jesus, they are still doubling down. Ralf could lose every single remaining game this season and Solskjaer will still be the worst United manager there has ever been.
He built this awful squad. He wasted 3 years and hundreds of millions citing rebuild which has resulted in the worst United team of the Premier League era.
This is his legacy.
He built this awful squad. He wasted 3 years and hundreds of millions citing rebuild which has resulted in the worst United team of the Premier League era.
This is his legacy.
Exactly this. Alot of last season we heard lack of coaching. I am sure there were fans saying, another manager would challenge for the league with this group of players.
RR is not to blame, the players have shown themselves for what they are. Cowards.
Ole got not only top 4 but he got to semis and finals of cup competitions with the same group of players. So Ralf has to take some heat not to get these players organised at the very least. As Izec said, worst manager in the last decade but got a tune out of these players.
Feels like some are willing to pass the buck for the managers we've had, they're impart responsible for lack of desire and drive. The top managers are able to galvanize a group, be a figure head and leader, have the character and charisma. Posting like Ole is some sage how he stated a while back this team lacks desire doesn't absolve him or Ralf. A group of guys can get easily lost if not led hence why we have managers and people like Pep, Klopp, Fergie, Conte etc are at the top and get the players to buy into working as one, in a highly demanding manner. But this is just one aspect, there's many factors.
seems you haven’t known Ole as a player. You can’t disregard that when talking about his legacy. Frank lampard failed at Chelsea, but his legacy as a player remains.
we were going in the right direction with Ole. Reaching european finals, finishing second to a far better team. It all crashed this season - i am not saying Ole is not at fault, but the whole system doesn’t seem to be working - top down. No one in this football club seems to have a clue what they are doing.
It was 3 years ago when United, with Solskjaer as their manager, had their much trumpeted cultural reboot/reset/rebuild call it whatever you want. The most damning thing is United need another cultural reset and squad rebuild and they're probably worse now than this time 3 years ago. Yes, Rangnick hasn't done a good job but he inherited a shit show from Solskjaer that United will need 2-3 years to fully recover from.
I defended Solskjaer when he was here but feck me has he set us back years with either his piss poor recruitment or being too passive with other recruiting for the club.
No we can't. Not even a fraction.And let's keep nailing this drivel about top four finishes on the head. When we finished third under Ole we had 55 points at this same exact point in the season. We're on 54 points, one point worse off. We fluked those league finishes because other top six clubs had nightmarish seasons.
That decision isn't near as bad as Baily or Martial or Jones or trying to actively keep Lingard and talking about it as such.
No he doesnt. Ralf talks about the importance of tactics as much as the other side. He spent untold minutes talking about tactics and playing style whilst Ole dismissed their importance. He never even took proper lead of training sessions for fecksake.
Quit mindlessly trying to find snips to claim they're comparable. Ole was a complete dud.
No No I'm not.
I'm simply claiming that they both complained that the squad has no desire or passion.
And Im saying all Ole wants is that and nothing else. He looks at that and thinks its sufficient on its own because hes so so poor in his own understsndung of modern football.
Good point. I suspect that over time, Ten Hag will build a team that won't go into these types of games with the sole aim of defending deep and hoping pinch a goal or two on the break.
Go and find the reports and interviews where its clearly stated Ole was consulted on the extensions for the players.
He fecked up the squad hard. He even openly said how we wanted to keep Lingard. He lied to Baily and promised more playing time for fecksake
This mess is on the board! We have still players that were at the club under SAF... Let that sink in. Since Klopp took the Liverpool job I think only Henderson and Milner are still there. At City The whole squad is Guardiola players.
Doesn't matter who is the next coach, if he is not allowed to sell all and buy new squad we will be a mess for decade.
Reportedly. I dont actually believe its still on the table, unless Luckhurst or Ornstein etc have said it. Ive only read this on DM or Express.
Also thats why I didnt name Pogba in my list. So its bizarre why you're bringing him up.
Absolute crap. Also his legacy is getting worse with every game. Ole didn’t rebuild shit, won feck all and after three years of planning left us with a team that needs to be dismantled to the core.
He definitely got 3rd and 2nd in consecutive seasons with this squad. You can check it on Wikipedia.
He flushed 350 million down the toilet, won zero trophies, left us with HM and people still talk about legacy. What legacy?
I enjoy football but some fans are like cultist.
I enjoy football but some fans are like cultist.
Gotta love some WUM, this made me chuckle. Obviously his legacy is getting better by a minute - check how highly rated he is outside of United bubble and how many teams line up begging for him to manage them. Also finally those who criticized his transfers are keeping their mouth shut