I don’t think your view is correct and am in the process of concocting my own view to draw further attention to myself as an anti groupthink provocateur.
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I don’t think your view is correct and am in the process of concocting my own view to draw further attention to myself as an anti groupthink provocateur.
As much as I enjoy bullying Revan for that, I don't think he's out of line here to suggest that the Ukrainians are operating their own propaganda, just like every other side in every other war in human history. Democracies included.
Yeah, an Ukrainian pilot flying a Sukhoi-29 dropped 40 same/similar planes.
Santa Claus is real too.
No doubt the numbers are inflated, but to go from "the numbers are too high" to "the whole thing is made up" is a bit of a leap. I mean, guys might say they are lugging 12 inches around but just because it's actually 6 doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Ukraine dropped entirely around 100-120 Russian airplanes. That includes rockets and their Air Force. This guy was apparently killed in mid March, not sure Russia has lost that many planes at that stage.
This guy must have been a Jedi to drop 1/3 or so of them.
The poster I was replying to was doubting the Ukrainian ‘confirmed’ kills of generals I think. I was just making the point that if you’re only waiting for Russian confirmation you’ll be waiting a long time.
The notion of potentially parading with horses instead of vehicles is not a far cry after all, but that also means they lack 16% of the usual participating crew to even carry the bayonets.
I really had to make a referrence to that legendary Barack Obama rebuttal to Mitt Romney (horses and bayonets).
There's been some misunderstandings going on here, I think he was talking about losses in general, but it sounded like he was talking about.. well, losses in generals.
Definitely agree that the Russians aren't to be trusted about their own losses.
Thank you for making the comparison relatable to me.
Ha! Well that’s an amusing confusion in an otherwise not very amusing thread!
It's a gift.
Or maybe he dropped 10 or so and the numbers were inflated to boost moral. That is not the same as your supposition that the whole thing was made up and the pictured guy was a random pilot.
I would see published images of destroyed planes as confirmation. But we have seen far less wrecks than claimed Russian losses. That's why I believe the numbers are inflated, Ukraine do only prove some of their claims.
But how does that work with Russian generals? They’d likely be incinerated, buried or repatriated.
Oh I see. Misunderstood you, apologies.
This is the trouble with wars being fought on social media. If its not a in Twitter video clip, it didn't happen.
I don’t think there was ever a pilot who dropped 10 airplanes of similar quality. Not even Israeli pilots in the wars with the Arabs, despite having significant advantage in numbers.
Ghost of Kyiv legend was created in the first day or two, when apparently he dropped all 7 Russian airplanes that were lost back then. Of course it is a bullshit story, most Russian airplanes have been dropped from land to air missiles, not from other airplanes, and definitely not from the same guy.
Then no one talked about him till now.
Not that I believe it but the claim was 40 'aircraft'. There are 100+ confirmed downed Russian aircraft of various sorts, with documented photo evidence, so you could maybe double that.
Not doubting that 100+ Russian aircrafts been dropped. Just that I find it hard to believe that 40 of them were dropped from Ukrainian Anakin Skywalker.
Maybe it was more :O Fog of war and all that.
If you are referring to Oryx, who confirm only the basis of unambiguous photos or videos, the current number (including those damaged, abandoned or captured) is 26 aircraft, 39 helicopters and 49 UAVs ... but they have a backlog of material to work through, so those numbers would rise even if the fighting ended today.
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It's definetly artillery, could either be rocket artillery or a barrage from many artillery pieces. My guess is its from a Grad mlrs system.
Thanks! My perception of artillery is that it’s nowhere near that accurate but possibly I’ve watched too many WW2 documentaries.
Strong meme game:
I had the same perception before this war, Ukranian artillary seems to have been extraordinarily accurate since the beginning. No idea how they do it.
I don't think that is a very accurate barrage, the spread looks to be several hundreds of meters.
I think they're using drones to help adjusting artillery aiming.
I guess it depends on the shrapnel blast from each explosion, which I think is way bigger than the cloud you see. I’d also say it’s 1-200 metres not several hundred but it’s difficult to judge
Let’s hope this is true:
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I can't believe that people are defending the Ghost of Kiev stuff. Even Ukranians have come out and said this is a myth, this is old news now.
And just as I say that:
I mean...of course there's no Ukrainian pilot who downed 40 Russian jets on his own. Who really believed that?
Nice bit of art. That’s my wallpaper sorted.
Will Putin formally declare war on Ukraine (perhaps on May 9th, the day of their annual Victory Parade) and thus call for a general mobilisation? The British Defence Sec. (for instance) thinks he will.
However, doing so would bring big problems for Putin:
* It'd be an admission that the "special military operation" has failed - or why else would a general mobilisation even be needed?
* It will make even harder to deny the reality of Russian personnel losses, both immediately and in the future (more conscripts equals more news leaks back to families)
* It won't be politically popular, because it effects almost everyone - the large bulk of Russians - who has a relative liable for conscription.
* It will be massively disrupting for business and companies, who suddenly stand to lose large numbers of their employees.
*It could be a political disaster if large number of potential conscripts seek to evade the draft.
* Where do they find (do they even have?) the equipment for all such a massive number of new conscripts?
* How will find Russia the resources needed to train hundreds of thousands of new conscripts?
However, doing so would bring big problems for Putin:
* It'd be an admission that the "special military operation" has failed - or why else would a general mobilisation even be needed?
* It will make even harder to deny the reality of Russian personnel losses, both immediately and in the future (more conscripts equals more news leaks back to families)
* It won't be politically popular, because it effects almost everyone - the large bulk of Russians - who has a relative liable for conscription.
* It will be massively disrupting for business and companies, who suddenly stand to lose large numbers of their employees.
*It could be a political disaster if large number of potential conscripts seek to evade the draft.
* Where do they find (do they even have?) the equipment for all such a massive number of new conscripts?
* How will find Russia the resources needed to train hundreds of thousands of new conscripts?
@Raoul believed that.
To be fair, I suspect there was a fair amount of sarcasm from various folks after reading through the posts.
The 40 number isn't the issue. He could've shot down 5 and still gotten streets named after him. The point is that you were prepared to fabricate your own alternate reality and then proceed to live in it as if it had any more legitimacy than what you previously didn't believe.
And I was shown to be right that the Ghost of Kyiv was propaganda, and it never existed.
I still believe.