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Unsure if it fits here or the Warcrimes thread or both.

That's just incredible and disgusting.

The more you read about stories like that the more you have the impression that is really isn't only Putins war. I'm not saying the majority of Russians support this but there are clearly many, many soldiers who are not only following commands but enjoy what they are doing...
 


Unsure if it fits here or the Warcrimes thread or both.


These poor souls are being manipulated by propaganda and/or being forced to do this though. They aren't responsible for their own actions. We should feel sorry for them.
 
That's just incredible and disgusting.

The more you read about stories like that the more you have the impression that is really isn't only Putins war. I'm not saying the majority of Russians support this but there are clearly many, many soldiers who are not only following commands but enjoy what they are doing...

There has been a ton of evidence right from the start that many of the Russian soldiers enjoy this and believe in this. I have not for one second bought the excuse that they are just following commands.
 
I watched a report earlier today on a portuguese news channel, where ukranian soldiers were knocking on some doors, confronting people with pro-russia posts they had posted on social media, and taking them away. Looked shady as feck.
I saw the same thing and it looked pretty normal. What do you think would happen in the UK if you openly promoted and supported terrorist behaviour by Al Qaeda or ISIS in Britain?

This ain’t Brexit.
 
Sure, but usually his lies didn’t sound this stupid.
He was usually using his Spokesperson Maria Zakharova to tell the most outrageous & stupid things but the scale of this conflict means that he has to be more involved in the open discussions now.
 
He was usually using his Spokesperson Maria Zakharova to tell the most outrageous & stupid things but the scale of this conflict means that he has to be more involved in the open discussions now.
Ah that makes sense, I didn't know anything about her.

Meanwhile more and more systems are delivered and promised:




Additionally I've seen reports that Ukrainian soldiers are in Germany right now to get training on the PzH2000. I assume the actual delivery of the German and Dutch PzH 2000 (and the COBRA) will happen when their training is done, it wouldn't make much sense to deliver them without an actual crew to use them.

I can't read the article, but I presume the mentioned passive radar is the one made by Hensoldt, which is feared by every one. During the last ILA fair in Berlin the F-35 stayed on the ground as soon as the little and in no way impressive Hensoldt van arrived and parked at the edge of the field. And as it is a passive radar in a very harmless looking vehicle it's almost to detect and destroy by conventional anti-radar weapons.
 
Maybe the stress from the sanctions is causing the Russians to smoke more around these industrial sites.
 


Fighting on Azovtal premises picking up again, guess someone lost their patience.
 
That's just incredible and disgusting.

The more you read about stories like that the more you have the impression that is really isn't only Putins war. I'm not saying the majority of Russians support this but there are clearly many, many soldiers who are not only following commands but enjoy what they are doing...
It’s as if some of the soldiers were policemen in their past.
 
They didn't think that one through properly :lol: . The one actual proof they had of Nazis in the Ukraine are now Jews? Haha!!!
When you define a Nazi as someone who hates Russia (which they like to do) it's not a problem to call Jewish Nazis.
 
I saw the same thing and it looked pretty normal. What do you think would happen in the UK if you openly promoted and supported terrorist behaviour by Al Qaeda or ISIS in Britain?

This ain’t Brexit.

Really, a group of soldiers would knock on your door and take you away to god knows where if you posted positive stuff online about another country who is in conflict with England?

And c'mon, this man in the report was sharing Putin's speeches, like millions do on twitter everyday, he wasn't sharing executions by terrorists or whatever.

It seemed very dodgy to me, to say the least.
 
Really, a group of soldiers would knock on your door and take you away to god knows where if you posted positive stuff online about another country who is in conflict with England?

And c'mon, this man in the report was sharing Putin's speeches, like millions do on twitter everyday, he wasn't sharing executions by terrorists or whatever.

It seemed very dodgy to me, to say the least.

Dodgy, maybe. But given the 1m illegally deportated, the murder and rape of civilians and children, and the mass of war crimes being committed, I suppose it is difficult to get worked up about this stuff. That's not a great reaction from me I admit, but it is very emotionally difficult not to draw equivalences and give a pass here.
 
Dodgy, maybe. But given the 1m illegally deportated, the murder and rape of civilians and children, and the mass of war crimes being committed, I suppose it is difficult to get worked up about this stuff. That's not a great reaction from me I admit, but it is very emotionally difficult not to draw equivalences and give a pass here.
I get that and of course I'm not drawing any comparisons to anything else in this war, that would be stupid. It just bothered me because this didn't look like an activist or anything, it was a random middle aged bald man living in a small town, judging by the look of his house not exactly swimming in cash, and he was taken away while his wife cried and a group of heavily armed soldiers basically just put his phone to his face and asked him "why are you sharing putin's speeches?".

It didn't sound right.
 
I get that and of course I'm not drawing any comparisons to anything else in this war, that would be stupid. It just bothered me because this didn't look like an activist or anything, it was a random middle aged bald man living in a small town, judging by the look of his house not exactly swimming in cash, and he was taken away while his wife cried and a group of heavily armed soldiers basically just put his phone to his face and asked him "why are you sharing putin's speeches?".

It didn't sound right.
Do you happen to have a link to that?
 
I get that and of course I'm not drawing any comparisons to anything else in this war, that would be stupid. It just bothered me because this didn't look like an activist or anything, it was a random middle aged bald man living in a small town, judging by the look of his house not exactly swimming in cash, and he was taken away while his wife cried and a group of heavily armed soldiers basically just put his phone to his face and asked him "why are you sharing putin's speeches?".

It didn't sound right.
I agree. I think no-one wants to draw attention to any potential abuses of power (and lord knows the UK and US were guilty of huge amounts when at war in the past), because Putin will jump on any example to escalate the conflict and commit further outrages. One thing I would guess is that the prospect of EU membership, even far off, will be a strong factor to limit potential abuses of power (for want of a better word).
 
Do you happen to have a link to that?

I couldn't find it on their website (it was reported on SIC Notícias). I will rewind it later today and try to catch the name of the town so I can google it.
 
Really, a group of soldiers would knock on your door and take you away to god knows where if you posted positive stuff online about another country who is in conflict with England?

And c'mon, this man in the report was sharing Putin's speeches, like millions do on twitter everyday, he wasn't sharing executions by terrorists or whatever.

It seemed very dodgy to me, to say the least.
Sure. If Britain was invaded by a foreign country, who was looking to wipe our country off the map, and was engaging in a genocide against British people, I’d fully expect and support our police and army clamping down on those broadcasting apologist or traitorous views.

Even in peacetime, if you post pro-ISIS or other extremist content, or any such calls to terrorism in the UK, you will likely find yourself the subject of police attention.
 
Sure. If Britain was invaded by a foreign country, who was looking to wipe our country off the map, and was engaging in a genocide against British people, I’d fully expect and support our police and army clamping down on those broadcasting apologist or traitorous views.

Even in peacetime, if you post pro-ISIS content or calls to terrorism in the UK, you will likely find yourself the subject of police attention.

OK then...
 
OK then...
I’m not really sure what you are expecting or complaining about. You genuinely believe countries being invaded, who are having their entire existence threatened, shouldn’t be going after fifth columnists? I’m a bit perplexed.
 
OK then...
Abraham Lincoln rather famously suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War, a war for the very existence of my country, like this war is for Ukraine. When asked about it, he said in a public letter...

"... the time [is] not unlikely to come when I shall be blamed for having made too few arrests rather than too many" ... [The Confederate States had been counting on having] ... "on foot amongst us a most efficient corps of spies, informers, supplyers, and aiders and abettors of their cause" under "cover of 'Liberty of speech' 'Liberty of the press' and 'Habeas corpus.'"

I think that Lincoln's reasoning here from 1863 would hold up in 2022 Ukraine as well.
 
I get that and of course I'm not drawing any comparisons to anything else in this war, that would be stupid. It just bothered me because this didn't look like an activist or anything, it was a random middle aged bald man living in a small town, judging by the look of his house not exactly swimming in cash, and he was taken away while his wife cried and a group of heavily armed soldiers basically just put his phone to his face and asked him "why are you sharing putin's speeches?".

It didn't sound right.


The last time Britain was threatened with invasion we passed an Emergency Powers (Defence) Act that allowed detention without trial, and introduced the death penalty for the crime of looting.

Of course a State is going to take action against people who are deemed to be collaborating with an enemy.
 
I’m not really sure what you are expecting or complaining about. You genuinely believe countries being invaded, who are having their entire existence threatened, shouldn’t be going after fifth columnists? I’m a bit perplexed.
Abraham Lincoln rather famously suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War, a war for the very existence of my country, like this war is for Ukraine. When asked about it, he said in a public letter...

"... the time [is] not unlikely to come when I shall be blamed for having made too few arrests rather than too many" ... [The Confederate States had been counting on having] ... "on foot amongst us a most efficient corps of spies, informers, supplyers, and aiders and abettors of their cause" under "cover of 'Liberty of speech' 'Liberty of the press' and 'Habeas corpus.'"

I think that Lincoln's reasoning here from 1863 would hold up in 2022 Ukraine as well.

I don't want to get in too deep, because maybe the ukranian soldiers know something about this man that wasn't in the report. They way they portrayed it was "the ukranians are even going after people who share russian views on social media".

If it was just that, it just doesn't sit right with me, no matter the circumstances.
 
Really, a group of soldiers would knock on your door and take you away to god knows where if you posted positive stuff online about another country who is in conflict with England?

And c'mon, this man in the report was sharing Putin's speeches, like millions do on twitter everyday, he wasn't sharing executions by terrorists or whatever.

It seemed very dodgy to me, to say the least.

Given the atrocities Russia has committed during this unprovoked attack I'd be more surprised if Ukranian people openly supporting Russia's invasion on social media didn't get a knock on their door.
 
The last time Britain was threatened with invasion we passed an Emergency Powers (Defence) Act that allowed detention without trial, and introduced the death penalty for the crime of looting.

Of course a State is going to take action against people who are deemed to be collaborating with an enemy.

Yeah looting and posting a putin speech on social media are exactly the same thing, mate.
 
Well, I guess I'm in the minority then. I'll just leave at that. If I happen to find the report I'll post it here, maybe there's something more to it that what the reporter said. If it was just for posting shit on facebook, It just sounds extremely abusive.