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Zehner said:
What a colossal bullshit. Of course being indecisive in how to support Ukraine is comparable to killing millions of jews. The guy has to be a grade A asshole for posting stuff like this.

This makes me angry, it's belittling the holocaust. Start using your brain for once, jesus
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He is not belittling the holocaust. He is belittling the Germans. Who once again think of their pockets only and they don't help the Ukrainians who are dying.

If the whole Western world tells you that Germany IS NOT DOING ENOUGH, it is probably time to do something real to help Ukraine instead of feeling... offended! It is only fecking idiots that are doing almost nothing, and feel offended that the rest of the West reminds them that they are doing very little.

Here is another one:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...scholz-to-visit-ukraine-on-russia-victory-day

Zelenskiy invites Germany’s Scholz to visit Ukraine on Russia’s Victory Day

President says visit on 9 May, when German leaders have often travelled to Moscow, would make powerful statement
 
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frostbite said:
He is not belittling the holocaust. He is belittling the Germans. Who once again think of their pockets only and they don't help the Ukrainians who are dying.

If the whole Western world tells you that Germany IS NOT DOING ENOUGH, it is probably time to do something real to help Ukraine instead of feeling... offended! fecking idiots that are doing almost nothing, and feel offended that the rest of the West reminds them that they are doing very little.

Here is another one:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...scholz-to-visit-ukraine-on-russia-victory-day

Zelenskiy invites Germany’s Scholz to visit Ukraine on Russia’s Victory Day

President says visit on 9 May, when German leaders have often travelled to Moscow, would make powerful statement
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Why would Zelensky invite Scholz if even half of the stuff you are constantly on about was true?
 
It seems that a lot of our German friends do not understand that Germany has a huge responsibility for the Ukrainian lives lost in this war. Sure, it is Russia that is doing the killing. But it is Germany that has enabled Russia in the past 20 years. And it is not just oil and gas. It is not that they only sent helmets before Feb 24th. It is not that they have been resisting sanctions on Russia. Here is another one:

https://www.france24.com/en/live-ne...ends-2008-decision-to-block-ukraine-from-nato

Merkel defends 2008 decision to block Ukraine from NATO
 
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Abizzz said:
Why would Zelensky invite Scholz if even half of the stuff you are constantly on about was true?
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Because the past cannot be changed. But Germany can change course today. And really help Ukraine now.

(And it is a good idea to change that street name to Zelenskyy today, they don't have to wait for the next generation... )
 
Here is another good article. It is from February 15th, before the war.


Don’t mention the war in Ukraine: Germany’s deteriorating image in Washington
https://ecfr.eu/article/dont-mention-the-war-in-ukraine-germanys-deteriorating-image-in-washington/


There is a strange duality to Germany’s image in Washington. The Russia-Ukraine crisis dominates the foreign policy conversation. And, judging by the tone of that conversation, one might imagine that it is Germany that is about to invade Ukraine rather than Russia. As German Ambassador to the United States Emily Haber warned her government in a recent cable, Germany is increasingly seen in Washington as a pacificist free-rider on the US security order. For many in Congress, Germany’s leaders virtue-signal about climate change and democracy while its economy gobbles up ever more Russian gas and its politicians take ever more Russian coin.
 
Insulting another member
frostbite said:
He is not belittling the holocaust. He is belittling the Germans. Who once again think of their pockets only and they don't help the Ukrainians who are dying.

If the whole Western world tells you that Germany IS NOT DOING ENOUGH, it is probably time to do something real to help Ukraine instead of feeling... offended! It is only fecking idiots that are doing almost nothing, and feel offended that the rest of the West reminds them that they are doing very little.

Here is another one:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...scholz-to-visit-ukraine-on-russia-victory-day

Zelenskiy invites Germany’s Scholz to visit Ukraine on Russia’s Victory Day

President says visit on 9 May, when German leaders have often travelled to Moscow, would make powerful statement
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"Not doing enough" isn't equal to "systematically killing millions of people and waging war on the whole world". What you do IS belittling the holocaust.

Jesus, this is so fecking dumb. This thread has seen some stupidity but if you ignore the Putin apologists, you're a serious contender for the pole position.

And just for the record, when it comes to patriotism, I'm very much at the lowest spectrum. This has nothjng to do with being German, you're just fecking stupid. And yes, I mean that personally.
 
If this guy’s analysis is correct, Ukraine is performing significant counterattacks around Izium. Not reaching Barvinkove to the SSW, a “decisive geographical point” in another analyst’s terms, would be a notable failure for Russia.
 
Organic Potatoes said:
If this guy’s analysis is correct, Ukraine is performing significant counterattacks around Izium. Not reaching Barvinkove to the SSW, a “decisive geographical point” in another analyst’s terms, would be a notable failure for Russia.
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It's not looking good for the Russians in and around (and north) of Izium. If their troops in and around Izium get cut off from re-supply - and they might well - then the Russian attempt to take the whole Donbas region will fail.
 
I think if Russia continues to suffer these major losses they will escalate to using nuclear weapons in Ukraine

can’t see them accepting defeat without using every weapon in their arsenal

although they did bail out of Afghanistan but this feels more close to home for Russia
 
frostbite said:
He is not belittling the holocaust. He is belittling the Germans. Who once again think of their pockets only and they don't help the Ukrainians who are dying.

If the whole Western world tells you that Germany IS NOT DOING ENOUGH, it is probably time to do something real to help Ukraine instead of feeling... offended! It is only fecking idiots that are doing almost nothing, and feel offended that the rest of the West reminds them that they are doing very little.

Here is another one:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...scholz-to-visit-ukraine-on-russia-victory-day

Zelenskiy invites Germany’s Scholz to visit Ukraine on Russia’s Victory Day

President says visit on 9 May, when German leaders have often travelled to Moscow, would make powerful statement
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At least we can be thankful that the Germans aren't as bad as the Greeks, then the Ukranians would really be up against it.

It's also cute that you, the very person so deeply offended by the acronym PIIGS, don't seem to mind at all people using derogatory terms for Germans.
 
frostbite said:
Interesting. My understanding is that this article discusses the situation "if" Gazprombank is sanctioned some time in the future. I think that Gazprombank is not sanctioned so far (I am not 100% sure). So the payments go to Russia without any problems at this point (70+ days). Am I wrong?

(And I don't think that Russia will keep providing gas if they can't access the money. )

Edit: Here is an article from WSJ. It discusses a few aspects of these transactions, but it did not really clarify things for me. My understanding remains that Russia receives all the gas money without any real problems.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/gazpro...der-that-dodged-western-sanctions-11646996338
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No, the article claims it really isn't possible right now, because Gazprombank has to use the Target 2 system:
Sanctions are such that while the Russian state has a euro claim on Gazprombank, it cannot use it to, say, buy the rubles it needs domestically. Any euro exchange the Russian state might attempt, either via the markets or the Bank of Russia, would have to be settled with Target 2 – the euro area’s settlement system – and would be captured by sanctions
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The Dutch article spoke to specialists that weren't involved in that article and seemed to agree. But I'm no specialist.

I can't read the WSJ article (paywall), but from its opening bit, it doesn't seem to contradict this, but simply restate what everyone thought: that Gazprombank can indeed use this method. That doesn't necessarily contradict this think tank's article; but my question is why this think tank could figure this out while no-one else seems to be aware. Are others just not digging far enough or not aware of this Target 2 system?

But ultimately, its conclusion does explain Russia's insistence on payment in rubles, which is otherwise a weird move. (Why demand that if the money is coming in anyway?)
 
shamans said:
Weren't they literally founded as a neo Nazi group waving Nazi flags?

Also pretty brutal war crimes against Azov? Genuine questions.
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Yeh they were founded by far rights clowns as some sort of independent militia. That was stamped out for the most part 8+ years ago when they were converted to a national guard unit.

Still low hanging fruit for the Rus propagandists, always will be.
 
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Simbo said:
Yeh they were founded by far rights clowns as some sort of independent militia. That was stamped out for the most part 8+ years ago when they were converted to a national guard unit.

Still low hanging fruit for the Rus propagandists, always will be.
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Just because they are fighting the devil doesn't make them saints. They are swastika waving Nazi sympathizers that have far right volounters joining them from all over the world.
 
the hea said:
That has to be Excalibur shells, no other artillery ammunition would be able to hit with that much precision.
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Not necessarily. It could for example also be laser guided M712 Copperhead for example, if it is a western model. As we know there was a drone used for target observation it could also have been used for laser guidance.
 
stefan92 said:
Not necessarily. It could for example also be laser guided M712 Copperhead for example, if it is a western model. As we know there was a drone used for target observation it could also have been used for laser guidance.
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Yes that actually makes even more sense.
 
frostbite said:
He is not belittling the holocaust. He is belittling the Germans. Who once again think of their pockets only and they don't help the Ukrainians who are dying.

If the whole Western world tells you that Germany IS NOT DOING ENOUGH, it is probably time to do something real to help Ukraine instead of feeling... offended! It is only fecking idiots that are doing almost nothing, and feel offended that the rest of the West reminds them that they are doing very little.

Here is another one:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...scholz-to-visit-ukraine-on-russia-victory-day

Zelenskiy invites Germany’s Scholz to visit Ukraine on Russia’s Victory Day

President says visit on 9 May, when German leaders have often travelled to Moscow, would make powerful statement
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You’re conflating things here. Many people who think Germany are not doing enough do not agree with the various outrageous statements you have shared, including comparisons to the holocaust. As German posters have repeatedly stated, they also criticise how their government have handled the situation, historically and now. That’s not what they take offence to. The distinction between that and those kinds of comments seems clear to everyone else but you, and it’s obvious your explicit bias plays a role in that.
 
the hea said:
Yes that actually makes even more sense.
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I'm not sure if one theory makes more sense than the other - the Excalibur is actually simpler to use with simple commercial drones - identify the exact position to strike at on Google Maps and just put the coordinates into the Excalibur. Laser guidance can't be done by every drone, as you need a special targeting device mounted.
 
Brwned said:
You’re conflating things here. Many people who think Germany are not doing enough do not agree with the various outrageous statements you have shared, including comparisons to the holocaust. As German posters have repeatedly stated, they also criticise how their government have handled the situation, historically and now. That’s not what they take offence to. The distinction between that and those kinds of comments seems clear to everyone else but you, and it’s obvious your explicit bias plays a role in that.
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Good post. Especially as frostbite totally missed the fact that Ukraine reacted to Germany being offended to get rid of that sentiment (as the invitation was now extented to president Steinmeier - this solves the protocollary problem they created by refusing Steinmeier's visit.

Quite ridiculuous to see him ranting about something even the Ukraine president acknowledges now (although implicitly, but I guess that's good enough in these times).
 
stefan92 said:
I'm not sure if one theory makes more sense than the other - the Excalibur is actually simpler to use with simple commercial drones - identify the exact position to strike at on Google Maps and just put the coordinates into the Excalibur. Laser guidance can't be done by every drone, as you need a special targeting device mounted.
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The Excalibur is a very expensive shell, thats why I thought something else made more sense and I don't even know if anyone has been willing to export them to Ukraine yet. They do however come with a range that to my knowledge no other artillery shell has with the same precision.
 
GlastonSpur said:
That's amazing - if real and not from a video game.
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The shape of the island fits with images of snake island, including the length and location of the jetties, position of the buildings. I don’t know how easy it would be to simulate that (maybe easier than I think), but the eyesight test tells me it’s real.
 
GlastonSpur said:
That's amazing - if real and not from a video game.
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It's likely true. Satellite images show massive destruction on the island and something must have caused that. The attack in the video fits quite well to explain the destruction here:

 
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