F1 2022 Season

rimaldo said:
to me it was a fairly easy red bull 1-2 as long as nothing majorly went wrong for them. which is the same for any race when you’re 1-2. red bull decided on about lap 10 the order that 1-2 should be. the message to perez was clear “no fighting” it wasn’t “don’t do anything stupid” it wasn’t “max looks faster, we have a 1-2 here. we don’t throw that away” it was clear he wasn’t allowed to do anything that constituted making max work for it. like i say, fine to have a number two driver, just don’t pretend it’s a fair fight.
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That's assuming that the team order was the only message Perez would have gotten. Their engineers are in the racers' ears all the time talking about their lap times, who's ahead and behind, and the difference with their lap times. It's very likely Perez would already have known Verstappen was much quicker (plus he could've figures it out himself from Verstappen closing in quickly). So the team message is just a conclusion, not the first and only thing Perez would have heard about the situation.

More generally, I don't get why people question the 'don't fight' order. Given Verstappen was much quicker, what possible advantage would there have been for Red Bull in letting Perez defend? If it's near the end and Perez has a chance of managing to defend long enough to get a P1, then yes please, let him fight. But so early in the race? They just risk the competition closing in or an accident, all while knowing Verstappen will take over anyway sooner or later. Better for the team to get it over quick in that situation.
 
Not surprised Hamilton was left with an injured back. I've never heard such a noise on his car cam, the constant bouncing when he was on the straight was so audible.

Now off to the "let's all laugh" thread!
 
Jerch said:
Leclerc dnf-ed as many times as Max did
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While it's true, Even with all the associated problems, red bull cars are much better than ferrari in terms of reliability this season, isn't it?

Not rb or Verstappens fault but for people like us with no great affiliation to drivers or teams, we just want exciting races.
 
fishfingers15 said:
While it's true, Even with all the associated problems, red bull cars are much better than ferrari in terms of reliability this season, isn't it?

Not rb or Verstappens fault but for people like us with no great affiliation to drivers or teams, we just want exciting races.
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Yeah, it's disappointing, isn't it. Turning from a very exciting season into a pretty boring one very quickly if Ferrari doesn't fix this soon.
 
fishfingers15 said:
While it's true, Even with all the associated problems, red bull cars are much better than ferrari in terms of reliability this season, isn't it?

Not rb or Verstappens fault but for people like us with no great affiliation to drivers or teams, we just want exciting races.
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Based on what. Excluding the dnfs Max had problems with drs in Barcelona, Perez engine problems in USA and some problems with engine yesterday in qualifications.
Red Bull have to improve their reliability also.
 
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Cheimoon said:
That's assuming that the team order was the only message Perez would have gotten. Their engineers are in the racers' ears all the time talking about their lap times, who's ahead and behind, and the difference with their lap times. It's very likely Perez would already have known Verstappen was much quicker (plus he could've figures it out himself from Verstappen closing in quickly). So the team message is just a conclusion, not the first and only thing Perez would have heard about the situation.

More generally, I don't get why people question the 'don't fight' order. Given Verstappen was much quicker, what possible advantage would there have been for Red Bull in letting Perez defend? If it's near the end and Perez has a chance of managing to defend long enough to get a P1, then yes please, let him fight. But so early in the race? They just risk the competition closing in or an accident, all while knowing Verstappen will take over anyway sooner or later. Better for the team to get it over quick in that situation.
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I also interpreted it that way.

This scenario was similar to Spain, with the difference being that this ocurred in Lap 15 and not Lap 40 and that this time there was no opposition from Ferrari, which is good news to RB but not so much for Checo, due that it's better for him having a different driver between him and Max.

As I have said, I think Max's a better driver than Perez in terms of speed and will get the upper hand from RB in terms of strategy if he's at a better pace, specially in races like the one today where Mercedes was like +40 seg distance. There was no point in Perez defending today because he would have losed in the long term and, as seen at the start of the season, maintaining that engine in driving conditions is also part of the strategy from a driver (if not, ask Ferrari today). Finally, overtaking Leclerc in the WDC is not a bad result at all and accomplishing 129 points by the end of the first quarter of the season is an incredible result so far. Perez had never accomplished 5 podiums in his first 8 races before and, as long as he gets the points the chances for competing with Max will be there.

As Juan Pablo Montoya said, Checo's only solution to this is to drive faster (easier said than done), but has shown improvement in his quallies and results. The season is still very long and will surely have better battles to fight.
 
Have to hand it to Ferrari, I thought they would at least get to the summer break without making an utter balls of everything.

Monaco and Baku have really put them on the back foot already.
 
christy87 said:
What is the cause of the Ferrari’s engine problems, could it be the porpoising shaking the shut out of the engine, or is it something to do with trying to shed weight in the engine department, the problem with the mercs is plain to see the side pods give no rigidity to the outer floor and with weight cutting it’s going to be a hard fix
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The ferrari PU issue affected one of the Alfa Romeo's as well. So unless the specific engines have done too many races and are lacking reliability then there is something else at play. Obviously ferrari wont say what.
 
Kevin said:
I told you, I told all of YOU when he skilfully blasted past your old paps Hamilton (even his name sounds like that of an old man) that the domination would start.

People got giddy over LeMeh thwarting Verstappen just because they were pissing their pink panties that he would break their hero’s records are now bitter as feck :lol: i guess they recognize the threat that is the once in a generation talent Verstappen.
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Age guess: 12 years old?
 
Ferrari self destruction ruined the race for me. I thought the two different strats would have been interesting to see converge. I feel Charles could have challenged max to the end
 
Cheimoon said:
Given Verstappen was much quicker, what possible advantage would there have been for Red Bull in letting Perez defend?
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Hamilton fans on the caf would be happier with Red Bull?

You have to take that into account too.
 
Fully Fledged said:
What was the point of getting closer when he was told he couldn't fight Max. He was 20 odd seconds ahead of Russell so he had nothing to push for.
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He was slower than max by some distance. Most likely they changed a set up on the front wing that gave pèrez much more tyre deg than max. Pèrez tyres were losing grip much faster than max.

Having pèrez fight Max would have seen pèrez end up third of Charles didn't blow up due to time loss of fighting
 
Amar__ said:
Hamilton fans on the caf would be happier with Red Bull?

You have to take that into account too.
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I admit that this is a demographic that Horner might not be considering enough when making in-race decisions.
 
Kevin said:
I told you, I told all of YOU when he skilfully blasted past your old paps Hamilton (even his name sounds like that of an old man) that the domination would start.

People got giddy over LeMeh thwarting Verstappen just because they were pissing their pink panties that he would break their hero’s records are now bitter as feck :lol: i guess they recognize the threat that is the once in a generation talent Verstappen.
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FFS contender for worst post in thread.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
FFS contender for worst post in thread.
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Pure wumming without value-add. I'm arguing for a thread ban. This thread is (often) divisive enough without that stuff.
 
Cheimoon said:
Pure wumming without value-add. I'm arguing for a thread ban. This thread is (often) divisive enough without that stuff.
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Just ignore the idiots. Theres enough decent people on here that you can have some interesting discussions.
 
Agreed. The Max/Lewis banter is a bit over done now. Nothing wrong with supporting your favourite driver, but purposely winding people up is a bit OTT.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
FFS this thread is nothing compared to the rubbish on other sites.
Lewis is faking it , he is the only driver moaning, even homophobic insults.
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Urgh. Christ.

Anyway, back to more interesting stuff. When's the next race and whom does the track layout favour? :)
 
fishfingers15 said:
Super annoyed with Ferrari ffs. Leclerc needs a break with this unreliable car. Mercedes is leading Ferrari in the team points and even Wolff knows it's a shitbox
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Don't believe mercedes are ahead of Ferrari in the constructors.
 
Cheimoon said:
Urgh. Christ.

Anyway, back to more interesting stuff. When's the next race and whom does the track layout favour? :)
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You have to say it's gonna be another strong RB track.

Not quite as fast as Baku but it does have a mega straight with strong DRS.

I suspect we will see a similar pattern, Leclerc nailing qualifying but RB the faster race car.
 
Jerch said:
Based on what. Excluding the dnfs Max had problems with drs in Barcelona, Perez engine problems in USA and some problems with engine yesterday in qualifications.
Red Bull have to improve their reliability also.
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Also based on the other cars using the PU. Zhou has DNFed 3 times in 4 races now through engine failures. Haas have had PU issues as well and they also use Ferrari.

After their initial struggles it looks pretty clear the RBPT PU is more reliable.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Super annoyed with Ferrari ffs. Leclerc needs a break with this unreliable car. Mercedes is leading Ferrari in the team points and even Wolff knows it's a shitbox
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Binotto is a fraud as team principal. He should stick with what he's good at and let someone else be team principal. Ferrari had great performance and reliability when he was the CTO and it dropped to shit once he got promoted to team principal.
 
Ferrari are pushing to be at the front, reliability can be sorted, it just needs to be done sooner rather than later or this title battle is over. Leclerc is taking some penalties later this season though, that's for sure.
 
Horner did a good job spelling out the con Mercedes are trying to pull, telling their drivers to play up the health and safety aspect.

Would carry a bit more weight if they weren't the team running the lowest ride height yesterday, and the stiffest suspension on the grid in Monaco. Sacrificing their drivers' spines to make up for a crap car design.
 
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hobbers said:
Horner did a good job spelling out the con Mercedes are trying to pull, telling their drivers to play up the health and safety aspect.
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You can't bullshit a bullshitter, shades of Horner from 2013 with Pirelli.
 
Dan said:
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"The team is asking me, 'OK, we can compromise the setup?' and I'm compromising my health for the performance. And I'll always do it, because I'm a driver and I always go for the fastest car I can. But I don't think FIA should put us in a corner where you got to deal between health and performance. That's the tricky part of it, and clearly not sustainable. So that's what we discussed at the drivers' briefing and kind of alerted them on this problem, and try to ask them to find solutions to save us from ending up with a cane at 30 years old."

Bang on from Gasly. No surprise that Horner is complaining already. If the situation were reversed you would never hear the end of it from him.
 
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