Not everyone who is a fan plays the sport we root for. I don't want to make this into some sort of a big argument as this thread isn't related to that, but I think anyone should be dress up as whatever they want and go to Comic cons or wherever without being judged by any weirdo as long as they are not actively harming themselves financially or emotionally. It's their fecking outlet and it's none of our business. I don't personally go to comic cons but power to those who do as an out.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Not everyone who is a fan plays the sport we root for. I don't want to make this into some sort of a big argument as this thread isn't related to that, but I think anyone should be dress up as whatever they want and go to Comic cons or wherever without being judged by any weirdo as long as they are not actively harming themselves financially or emotionally. It's their fecking outlet and it's none of our business. I don't personally go to comic cons but power to those who do as an out.
I agree.
More power to big titty goths I say.
She is allowed to think and post about more than one thing.
I just had a peek at her Twitter, and her pinned tweet is about offering to match donations up to the value of £1 mill to a charity helping Ukrainian orphanages.
I'm not sure it's a good faith argument to bring the war in Ukraine into it.
Yeah it's a great pinned tweet, which is then followed by retweets for her mate who does art or jabs at her trans dissenters, and a constant stream of things about defining women.
It's also not in "good faith" for her to leverage the crisis in Ukraine for her own publicity, and then never tweet about it again because she's so focused on owning those who have made her pissed off.
And for your first comment; she's allowed to post about more than one thing, that's true. But she doesn't seem to talk about much other than this. If she's not retweeting her mates or people dressed as Harry Potter characters she's ALWAYS talking about the same subject that this thread is about. She's bloody possessed by it, as if nothing else in the world matters except what she's involved with.
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Also, if GOP senators who are actively involved in criminalising trans people and outing children in schools were quoting me in congress, and some of the worst of the alt right were supporting me online, I would probably try and distance myself from that pretty vociferously, especially if I simply had ‘genuine concerns’ …. Its her prerogative to not do so, of course, but it’s also pretty fair for people to read into that ungenerously. Especially in the rapid social media age.
You always put things better than I ever could so I'll just say "I agree" but also "feck Cina".
Yeah but where's the fun in that?
apologies I thought you were rocking up in full kit and boots!
I wasn’t sure about you as (I think you are) a Lakers fan but this along with being a fellow 9er has convinced me you are indeed a man of culture
Interesting take from Rachel Riley...
Interesting take from Rachel Riley...
It’s a reminder of an eternal truth, having genius level intellect in one thing does not make you smart in general, because Riley has spent about 4 years now proving that outside of maths that she’s an absolute idiot
Rachel Riley is a cnut
Riley really is an odious creature.
She’s in the top right in the hot / crazy graph.
She really is an awful gobshite
The graph doesn’t lie!
In case anyone was in doubt as to where the Gender Critical feminist movement was heading
Fair few transphobic organisations and public figures in the UK, who peddle their stuff in the guise of feminism or gay/lesbian rights, have working relationships and/or receive financial help from the Christian right in the US.
They are gonna get more and more supportive of social conservatism.
They are gonna get more and more supportive of social conservatism.
She says nothing wrong or unreasonable in that tweet. I’m also pro-choice and agree with her that people can disagree with me on this and still be a good person in many other ways . It’s a tough subject, with loads of shades of grey. The way so many people who go deep in the culture war are constantly splitting is one of the main reasons for the deep divisions in society today. It’s very unhelpful and won’t get us anywhere.
I don't think you're a good feminist if your response to abortion being banned for millions is to explain that those who approve of abortion bans can be cool.
Personally, I'm all for prolifers, if they choose not to have an abortion, for whatever reason, I fully support them and think they should be given access to the fullest arrangement of supports they may need.
It doesn't give them any sort of right in someone else's decision though.
How would they feel if I thought it was OK for me to tell them they can't have an abortion?
It doesn't give them any sort of right in someone else's decision though.
How would they feel if I thought it was OK for me to tell them they can't have an abortion?
If any and all criticism of any aspect of trans-ideology is to be labelled "transphobic", then any reasonable discussion of the issues involved becomes impossible. Prof. Blackstock, for example, is not adopting the "guise" of feminism or gay/lesbian rights - she is both a feminist and a lesbian.
As a lesbian, she has objected to - for instance - being told that lesbians are "transphobic" if they say they don't want to have a sexual relationship with a (physiologically male) transwoman ... but apparently sexual preference should now be dictated by ideology or else you are a closet supporter of the Christian Right/Trump cult.
Stock is one of those perceived sensible people who just happens to be skeptical, and then suddenly, out of completely nowhere (who could have ever guessed!), find themselves praising Posie Parker and other hateful terfs. Agologizing for pro lifers is par for the course, because pro lifers are overwhelwingly anti-trans and that's the important thing.
Kathleen Stock is like Jordan Peterson. Originally claiming that it's just about some principle, extremely transparent but still vociferously denied by people who don't want to see the obvious, until they eventually go mask off.
This is total bollocks. Prof. Blackstock is a radical feminist and lesbian who happens to think it should be possible to express views that are critical of some aspects of trans-ideology without receiving death threats and being hounded out of a job. Even the acronym "terf" is designed to dehumanise and try and shut down discussion ... discussion which trans-ideology absolutists automatically equate with "transphobia".
If you want to talk about "masks" coming off, then let's talk about closet misogyny .... because a fair few trans-activists are males who are not transgender themselves, but call themselves allies of transgenderism, and in their vociferous support of absolutism in trans-ideology are extremely aggressive towards feminist women who dare to voice any criticism or concerns.
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Give it a fecking rest you bore.
It's so predictable, especially from you. Completely unable to engage with specifics, trying to generalize it away. There is no automation going on, no absolutism. This rhetoric is so lame. You were so much more fun when you were posting about Spurs. Now it's colonialism, mental health and trans people, and it's sad.
I find it ridiculous that you'd try to argue that someone involved with the LGB Alliance isn't a transphobe.
Wasn't Stock one of the founding members of that weird right wing 'anti-cancel culture, anti woke' university in Texas that's never gonna actually happen? The one with Bari Weiss and various others who Tucker Carlson's show likes to invite on.
Give it a fecking rest you bore.
It's so predictable, especially from you. Completely unable to engage with specifics, trying to generalize it away. There is no automation going on, no absolutism. This rhetoric is so lame. You were so much more fun when you were posting about Spurs. Now it's colonialism, mental health and trans people, and it's sad.
What is the image you've posted supposed to prove? It beats me.
I notice how immediately you resort to personal insults - but calling me a "bore" answers nothing of what I posted.
no i definitely think america has it right. if i decide to rape a 12 year old girl it is only right that she raises my seed to the age of 18 and for them both to work at the same branch of burger king.
Yes, of course.
Glaston: "The term terf is just dehumanizing language made up by trans absolutists to shut down discussion."
Soph: "The person I'm calling a terf literally calls herself a terf, just look at her twitter bio."
Glaston: "What is this picture supposed to prove?"
Go back to arguing that India's democratic institutions exist as a gift from British colonialism.
Well, a mask has definitely come off.
Gonna be wild if it turns out this 'Prof. Blackstock' actually exists and we've all just been falsely assuming Glaston is referring to someone else, who doesn't have that surname and who is no longer a professor.
That's the one. She landed on her feet and didn't really get negatively affected by the 'campaign' against her. Which involved Sussex standing firmly behind her academic freedom (and rightly so), but also saw Stock launch complaints against colleagues in different departments who expressed their solidarity with the trans community at the university.
The picture shows someone who has been called a "terf" deciding for whatever reason to claim the term - not that she invented it. For my part I neither know nor care who Posie Parker is and hold no brief to defend her.
And yes, the "terf" is a dehumanizing term made up by trans absolutists to to try and shut down discussion.
Your earlier post said I was not engaging with specifics, so here's some specific questions for you:
1) Is a lesbian being hateful and transphobic if she says that she doesn't want to have a sexual relationship with a physiologically male transwoman?
2) If someone self-identifies as being a different gender to that recorded at their birth, do they have the right to insist that everyone else around them - society at large - should be obliged to share in their self-identification? (Note that this question has nothing to do with treating trans-people with respect and decency, which of course should happen.)
3) Are - as trans-absolutists insist is true - all transwomen literally women in every single way that non-transwomen are women? And ditto for transmen in relation to those recorded at birth as being male?
Where did it even come from? Is he confusing Kathleen Stock with this professor Blackstock? There is a Cindy Blackstock, but she's apparently known as an activist for Gitxan people in Canada. Then there's Silas Blackstock, a chemistry professor working at the University of Alabama.
It's absolutely wild that you think I'm interested in talking to you. Now I know how you feel @Jericholyte2, ref the mental health talk.
AutoCorrect can be weird sometimes and it's late so easy not to notice?
Without being an algorithm expert, it seems a weird one. "Kath Stock" to "Blackstock", as a stretch? But then why Kath. Maybe we should ask Daniel Levy, he's omnicient I've heard.