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Dean Henderson | Nottingham Forest loan watch
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There's no agitation involved. It's football - watching teams and players you don't like fail is fun.
To be fair this is on Henderson
Exactly.
He’s put himself right under the microscope with those comments.
Everything is gonna be hyper scrutinised just like if he was United goalie except he’s playing at Forest
Everything is gonna be hyper scrutinised just like if he was United goalie except he’s playing at Forest
You know what I mean. They'll inevitably be compared and will be treated like the one that got away.
Plenty on both sides waiting to throw out I told you so's.
He has done well, it would've been a worldie if he had saved that
First goal was fine. Not sure what he was doing for the second goal though.
Just seen the goal. Near post, at that angle, should be saving that all day long.
He's just too short and unlike Ter Stegen, you actually feel his lack of height hampering him.
Chat shit, get banged?
Yeah that second goal makes him look too small
It's not just his height, something about the way he holds himself makes him look even smaller.
agreed.
in any case, there’s not a season on god’s green earth where small featured hendo is ever going to win in a comparison against big dick dave.
Yeah, that’s the thing. I wouldn’t usually want to be too critical of United players on loan but, unfortunately, he’s earned all the criticism he’s going to get.
watched the last half hour of the game, he seems lack of match fitness and is physically rusty.
Average gk. Again proved it
Had a good match today imo, he wasn't at fault for any of the 2 goals that Forest conceded. I saw people criticising his distribution but with how his teammates looked on the field today I'm not sure even someone like Schmeichel could've done better.
Exactly this.
I think you are on to something. I just really can't understand why he did that. He is average keeper and way behind DeGea in quality.
It’s not misleading at all, post shot expected goals (PSxG) takes into account the quality of opportunities faced rather than the number of shots. Besides De Gea of 21/22 was actually much busier than Henderson of 19/20 in terms of shots faced so that’s nonsense as well. It’s quite literally the same statistic for every goalkeeper. I even repeated it to make it very clear what is being compared and you still misread it. If you want to ignore the data & the teams results and performances then that’s up to you but don’t try and pretend I’ve used misleading information as they are the exact same for both players.
So I’m xenophobic now for suggesting Maguire was scapegoated, Christ alive
Maguire was abysmal last season but he was quite clearly the easy scapegoat and did obviously end up getting blamed on here for things that different defenders or a different goalkeeper should have dealt with. I also don’t understand why you keep suggesting I like Henderson, I’ve never said that. All I’ve done is presented the data, if you can’t understand that that says a lot more about you. He’s overall very average & the statistics showing him to be a better fit than De Gea are all about how poor for the team De Gea than how good Henderson is.If you can’t get that into your head & automatically think I like one more than the other because he’s English rather looking to the multitude of reasons I’ve given for preferring one to the other, backed up by statistics rather than simply opinions and even stating that I don’t particularly rate either of them then I don’t really know what to say.
Looked like a little kid on both goals. Think De Gea, just by virtue of his reach, would’ve saved both of those. The second one in particular made him look really short because that was very saveable for the majority of PL keepers.
Again, as others have said, he’s really put himself under the microscope after his comments, and the pressure is going to mount on him very quickly. On the one hand I’d like him to do well so he can be sold at a decent fee, on the other - after his comments - I’d take a fair amount of schadenfraude from his failure.
Again, as others have said, he’s really put himself under the microscope after his comments, and the pressure is going to mount on him very quickly. On the one hand I’d like him to do well so he can be sold at a decent fee, on the other - after his comments - I’d take a fair amount of schadenfraude from his failure.
Agreed re: comments about him looking small. I remember one time he got beat by a looping shot over his head. He'll always need crazy reflexes to make up for his stature.
Ok. So you think that we would be better off with Henderson in nets? Also, I can't be bothered to check but are you saying that Henderson at Sheff utd faced fewer shots than ddg? Surprising if so.It’s not misleading at all, post shot expected goals (PSxG) takes into account the quality of opportunities faced rather than the number of shots. Besides De Gea of 21/22 was actually much busier than Henderson of 19/20 in terms of shots faced so that’s nonsense as well. It’s quite literally the same statistic for every goalkeeper. I even repeated it to make it very clear what is being compared and you still misread it. If you want to ignore the data & the teams results and performances then that’s up to you but don’t try and pretend I’ve used misleading information as they are the exact same for both players.
So I’m xenophobic now for suggesting Maguire was scapegoated, Christ alive
If you can’t get that into your head & automatically think I like one more than the other because he’s English rather looking to the multitude of reasons I’ve given for preferring one to the other, backed up by statistics rather than simply opinions and even stating that I don’t particularly rate either of them then I don’t really know what to say.
I don't think either of us particularly rate either keeper, but I think you'll be in the minority if you think that Henderson is a better shout for us than ddg. But you're good with stats, that's for sure!
He's just 4cm smaller than De Gea, who doesn't exactly look imposing himself. Not sure his physic will be that much of an issue
It’s a big problem when you combine it with his poor positional sense and slow reflexes.
All the pundits have had more or less the same view regarding those quotes. It made him look an entitled children and it's brought unnecessary pressure on him
I hope he has a stronger response in the coming weeks and does his part to help Forest be competitive in the league. But if he can't take the criticism after talking and then playing for Forest, he'll have done himself in even before having the legit chance of United #1, let alone England.
I hope he does well. I like when a player wants to play and is frustrated to stay on the bench
A bit of schadenfreude for sure with this guy. Average at best
I am the same way, but he didn't help himself and it was stupid. He deserves the criticism, but I too want him to do well and comeback and seriously try to become United #1, even with some question marks.
I’ve not double checked recently but I’m sure I did a couple of months ago and he had, I think it was quite a lot less too. I agree it’s surprising but Henderson is lot more proactive which helps and they did defend better that year than we last season to be fair.
I realise it’s an unpopular opinion that’s why I use the stats to back it up rather than just saying X, Y, Z. I tend to look to my own eye test before stats & then look over stats to see if they back up what I’m thinking which in this case they do - without Henderson necessarily being good enough either. Like I say, letting Maignan move for €10m & Donnarumma for nothing in the same summer without showing any kind of interest was an astonishingly poor oversight in my view.
Certainly should have stopped the second. I don't think he had a good game at all, my biggest issue with him has been his positioning and it was a major problem for him again today, he just does not seem to have the awareness of a top keeper and takes himself out of play too much. I also saw very little evidence of the commanding presence he gets credited with, he was frequently back on his heels instead of coming out to control his box but then would come out in kamikaze fashion now and again and need a slice of luck not to give away a goal. It is 1 game but on this evidence he will do well to keep his place in the Forest side and I fear our hopes of selling him for anything more than a nominal fee next summer are rapidly receding.
It was unfortunate for him that DDG took his kick up the arse and played well enough to justifiably reclaim the #1 spot while Henderson had covid. I'd say neither of them are realistically good enough for a top tier team, they've both got obvious strengths and weaknesses and for me it doesn't really make much difference which one is in net. I'd say both he and DDG are just good enough that it'd be fine to trust either one as #1 while we sort out the 10 in front of them (and relevant depth) before making changes there but DDG earned his spot back through form and goodwill from previous seasons which I'd say is fair enough. Obviously Henderson is burning his bridges now but whether it was him or DDG as keeper now I think they'd be on borrowed time until our more pressing issues are sorted, unless we perform some sort of GK coaching masterclass.
I can't find the stat on fbref either. Where did you find that? I know we were bad that season but would be amazed if ddg did actually face more shots than Henderson at Sheff utd
You don’t call out your parent club when you’re on loan if you expect to ever play for them again. He’s burned his bridges and I honestly don’t think he deserves to play for the club again. Grade-A prick.
He definitely did have moments where he looked rusty, which isn't surprising considering he basically hasn't played for 12 months. I'm not just talking the goals, but just things like being slow to come out and claim balls that he would've been quick to do for us or Sheffield United. Give him a month or so to get back in his groove and we'll see how he goes.
He certainly is going to have a lot of work to do this season. Maybe it was just nerves in their first game, but Forest looked atrocious. I almost felt sorry for Lingard out there being surrounded by such poor players, but then remembered he had the option of West Ham so it was his own choice.
He certainly is going to have a lot of work to do this season. Maybe it was just nerves in their first game, but Forest looked atrocious. I almost felt sorry for Lingard out there being surrounded by such poor players, but then remembered he had the option of West Ham so it was his own choice.
A year ago or so the majority on the caf wanted him starting ahead of ddg. The mood swings can be epic
I still do. That's how bad DDG is.
Doesn't change the fact that Henderson is a belend and not exactly the GK that will take us to the next level like VDS did. Says a lot about DDG really more than anything.
Could have been playing for Newcastle today as well were he less greedy.
One things for sure - neither Henderson nor Lingard are getting in the England team playing in such a nailed on relegation side.
It’s in the normal goalkeeping section on fbref rather than advanced goalkeeping. Henderson faced 129 in 19/20 whereas De Gea faced 177 last season.