Don't forget that he was a rat last year and was feeding journos with internal stuff.
Him failing is joy to watch.
Dean Henderson | Nottingham Forest loan watch
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Him failing is joy to watch.
We need to allow him to play against us when we face forest.
Caf in a nutshell when you read the last 10 pages.
We do need a new GK but this guy was never the answer.
We do need a new GK but this guy was never the answer.
He certainly was quick to puff his chest out and talk shit after that early season win. Will we hear anything from him now after the ass beating they just received?
This is why you keep your mouth shut and work. I hate players who run their mouths, particularly when it is premature, it shows mental weakness which this guy seems to have in spades.
This is why you keep your mouth shut and work. I hate players who run their mouths, particularly when it is premature, it shows mental weakness which this guy seems to have in spades.
Pity that his journo buddies aren’t interested in Forest, else he could be leaking to deflect attention away from himself.
We really shouldn't be hoping for his failure here, it's only a loan deal...
City's 2nd goal was the most criminal of the lot, none of that superior 'distribution' some of his fans have been hanging on about. Not to mention I saw none of that commanding of the box or catching of crosses. Haaland's 3rd was floating in the 6 yard box 3 times but he was rooted to his line all the way. And the 5th through his legs. And was extremely lucky that Mahrez didn't score cause he fumbled it too.
If DDG conceded that kind of goal you know there was be 10 stats and 'analysis' videos about him up tomorrow but too bad no one gives a rat's ass about Forrest
If DDG conceded that kind of goal you know there was be 10 stats and 'analysis' videos about him up tomorrow but too bad no one gives a rat's ass about Forrest
Agreed and that's the difference in attitude between him and Dave, 1 comes out to take responsibility for his mistakes, the other only does so when he personally does well
Not like we’d negotiate a decent fee for him anyway. Let the schadenfreude flow.
if he does well, his cult will be even more unbearable and Murtough might want to keep him. If he’s shit, ETH will be forced to keep him since no1 will want him.We are Damned if he succeeds and damned if he doesn’t.
Well the toxicity just radiates from you doesn't it?
We are Damned if he succeeds and damned if he doesn’t.
Cry more my child
Who's crying? I'm not the one saying it's bad news regardless of whether a player out on loan does well or does poorly.Cry more my child
Who knows he may be destined for median obscurity. Many years of backupedness while he rails against it and generates drama.
We are Damned if he succeeds and damned if he doesn’t.
I'm not quite sure why there's so much malice towards Henderson.
First, nobody is claiming he's a great goalkeeper, many are just pointing out that DDG is so poor that even an average/fair goalkeeper would have been an improvement. I genuinely do believe that DDG is, on balance and all things considered, probably the worst goalkeeper in the league now, so I would genuinely take ANY of the other 19 starting goalkeepers over him, including Dean.
Secondly, I think he was totally justified in what he said about the club. It was clear that Ole's 'man management' skills largely revolved around telling everybody what they wanted to hear, which ultimately just led to more problems down the line when promises where broken. People have to understand that goalkeeper isn't like other positions. Henderson is at a vital stage of his career and I agree that it is 'criminal' that he should be wasting his time playing four or five games a season when he could/would have been a starter elsewhere.
It's also telling he wasn't the only player to allude to broken promise. Lingard and Bailly also said similar and other players have clearly been left unhappy with the way Ole left them in limbo because of his inability to make a decision.
First, nobody is claiming he's a great goalkeeper, many are just pointing out that DDG is so poor that even an average/fair goalkeeper would have been an improvement. I genuinely do believe that DDG is, on balance and all things considered, probably the worst goalkeeper in the league now, so I would genuinely take ANY of the other 19 starting goalkeepers over him, including Dean.
Secondly, I think he was totally justified in what he said about the club. It was clear that Ole's 'man management' skills largely revolved around telling everybody what they wanted to hear, which ultimately just led to more problems down the line when promises where broken. People have to understand that goalkeeper isn't like other positions. Henderson is at a vital stage of his career and I agree that it is 'criminal' that he should be wasting his time playing four or five games a season when he could/would have been a starter elsewhere.
It's also telling he wasn't the only player to allude to broken promise. Lingard and Bailly also said similar and other players have clearly been left unhappy with the way Ole left them in limbo because of his inability to make a decision.
meanwhile the shot gets closer and closer to him each time I read people saying DDG is a better keeper. by tomorrow, it will have "slipped through his hands"
What a horrendous performance by Pickford regen. Goals 2 and 3 in particular were criminal, though he should have done better in all except the last one.
Too bad there wasnt a penalty save so he'd be happy with it.
This is not what you want to hear as a fan, is it? "Oh yeah, we just lost 2-0 but I saved a penalty so I'm delighted with that".
De gea let’s 4 goals at a time against City whilst playing for a big club and people still don’t see his problem
I'm not seeing anyone that doesn't accept de Gea's shortcomings, but a lot of people that are rightly pointing out Henderson’s.De gea let’s 4 goals at a time against City whilst playing for a big club and people still don’t see his problem
This is absolutely pathetic from him. It comes across as putting his personal achievement above losing 3 points.
So you would take, Mark Travers, Danny Ward, Vicente Guaita or Illan Meslier over De Gea? Really?
I would take any starting PL goalkeeper over DDG right now, yes. Even though I don't know who Mark Travers is
Sometimes I think we're over-critical of our players on this forum. Most of them are at least average/fair Premier League players but I honestly think De Gea is THAT bad.
There seems to be this idea that he's deficient in many areas but is a good shot-stopper so that's OK...I actually think he's deficient in many areas and also a terrible shot-stopper...so there's no saving grace
He's apparently been earmarked as our long term replacement for De Gea
He was leaking team news because he was angry, he publicly cries to the press because he isn't first choice.
He isn't even very good yet he talks like he's a Buffon regen
he's everything that's wrong with the modern United player. Entitled, overpaid, egotistical.The moment we move him on for good the better.
Sure sure if that makes you sleep at night. I never said DDG is better, im just calling out the hypocrisy of you Henderson stans.
Wonder what new excuses you'll use for his masterclass against City
Some of the disrespect for De Gea on this thread is unbelievable, the worst keeper in the league? a terrible shot stopper? Jesus christ, lets not go too overboard ay. He's far from the best in the league but outside maybe the top 6-10, he's better than the others.
It goes beyond just that, the squad management has been a mess for years. The issue is with the running of the club overall. And even with Woodward gone, I am not seeing much difference yet.
Maguire and Shaw dropped is a good start.
I dont understand this. Nobody was saying DDG was in great form, it’s the complete fawning over an average keeper who thought he was entitled to the no 1 shirt that riled fans up.De gea let’s 4 goals at a time against City whilst playing for a big club and people still don’t see his problem
Now it’s changed from Dean commands his box, he’s fantastic with his feet to we knew he was average in every way, we just wanted David out.
Then people wonder why fans took issue with that.
That's when you know how biased they are against DDG and their opinion should be ignored. Call out his flaws sure, but to think that he's the worst of the PL keepers is about the worst take you have on this thread
I would take any starting PL goalkeeper over DDG right now, yes. Even though I don't know who Mark Travers is
Sometimes I think we're over-critical of our players on this forum. Most of them are at least average/fair Premier League players but I honestly think De Gea is THAT bad.
There seems to be this idea that he's deficient in many areas but is a good shot-stopper so that's OK...I actually think he's deficient in many areas and also a terrible shot-stopper...so there's no saving grace
Surely you can't be being very objective then?!
Though I would agree DDG shot-stopping so far this season and the last few months of last season wasn't great, going by last seasons stats overall he was one of the best shot-stoppers in the league. According to fbref, only Jose Sa had a better Post-Shot XG minus Goals Allowed then De Gea.
If De Gea finds form and gets his shot-stopping back to where it should be, then that clearly puts him ahead of many keepers in this league - even if he is crap in other areas (so are many other PL keepers). We do need to replace him obviously, but I think it's a bit of a stretch to label him the worst keeper in the league.... there are some really bad keepers in this league!
Yep, which truly worries me... I know he's young so lots of time to improve, but he's feckin' crap.
If we want a Prem keeper to displace De Gea we should be looking at Sa (3rd best keeper in the league in my opinion), Sanchez or Raya
I don't care about them being dropped, the question is will they be sold. If we offer DDG a new contact, or try to keep the likes of Henderson, it means we have learned nothing.
No, the problem is, this is a forum with 10,000+ members, at least 50% of whom don't know their arse from their elbow (and I am being generous saying '50%) so I am sure you can find the odd know-nothing nutter who was/is claiming Henderson is a fantastic goalkeeper....but I think most sensible posters are not saying that at all.
As I pointed out, and it seems you're alluding to my post, De Gea has been in terrible form for about three/four seasons now. Believe me, I am the first to say De Gea was world-class in his prime, but the last season he actually performed well was the year we finished 2nd under Jose.
Since then, his shot-stopping has fallen off a cliff as his reflexes/agility have waned and what's left is an absolute husk of a goalkeeper who only moves sideways like a 'foosball' GK, who makes huge, costly mistakes on a regular basis (I am not talking about small technical errors, I am talking about undisputed, major errors like the Brentford game), who is scared of his own shadow, who's first movements is always backwards and who offers absolutely nothing to his back four.
What many of us are/were saying is that whilst Dean Henderson might not be the long-term answer, it would have made more sense for the club to move on the very poor goalkeeper who earns £350K per week and keep the average/fair goalkeeper.
Keeping underperforming players in the team is part of the team management or lack of.
That's different cattle to selling or not.
DDG was only great for the first part of the season, he was one of the worst keepers in the second half of the season, including shot stopping. He is crap. Henderson is a better keeper currently, and both are not good enough and should be fecked off.
It would not surprise me if Dubravka is ahead of DDG as the season progresses.
I’m on the side of neither being the answer but you couldn’t have that conversation on here without fans blatantly lying about Deans abilities. Everybody saw that David wasn’t the David of old but it’s Ole, Rangnick and Ten Hag who have all sidelined Dean now. There is nothing to suggest he would have been any kind of improvement while there was more upside to DDG finding something resembling his form (which he did for a lot of the last 18 months to be fair to him)
It’s not Dean deserves a chance because David is shit, it was Dean is the modern keeper who commands his box, comes off his line well and can play it out. Now he’s bad mouthing the club and fans wonder why other fans haven’t taken to him?
If David is fecking up and Dean is fecking up, why bother changing them around at all?
Well yeah - so if he can find form and be the keeper he was this time last year - then surely he would be a better option then Henderson?
Agree on the larger point - neither are good enough.