I'm guessing around April because that is when they almost bottled top 4.
Chelsea 2022/2023 | THIS IS LAST YEARS THREAD YOU NUMPTIES
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The best ones are either in the Chelsea team or playing for Roma, Milan, Bayern Munich or for other prem sides.
They can't ALL make it at Chelsea.
Said as much in Frenkie thread when so many were claiming we had no chance if Chelsea came in….
Every season is an absolute toss up as to who finishes higher out of United and Chelsea, I wouldn’t dare bet a tenner on either.
Every season is an absolute toss up as to who finishes higher out of United and Chelsea, I wouldn’t dare bet a tenner on either.
How is anybody meant to answer? Put in Antony who hasn’t played a minute for us or Casemiro who has played 30 minutes more than me?
As we stand Scott, Rashford and Elanga all start. How can they not? They’re literally starting as we speak
Like this:
"Duffer, how many academy players would you have in your starting XI if everyone was fit?"
"2, James and Mount".
So you sold your equivalent of class of 92
You sold a fair few of the actual class of 92.
They couldn't all play for you and they can't all play for us.We've had 3 really good right backs come through in about 3 years. What should we do, drop James for Lamptey? Drop them both for Livramento? They can't all play.
Me? I’d have Zidane start beside Casemiro and have Garnacho rotate either wing.
Does that make you feel better about Chelsea’s youth integration? I don’t get how this is relevant at all.
I’m still siding with selling half these player next summer if that helps at all.
We got there finally. Antony or Sancho benched for Garnacho? Or is it Sancho as a false 9?
Right Duffer I’m going to leave it here. I replied to a post from you asking what would happen if Ten Hag didn’t play academy products and I explained to you how he’s using them so far and, in his own words, how he’s going to use them in the future. That obviously wasn’t the answer you wanted since what you wanted was 0 so you’ve narrowed it down to make believe lineups that doesn’t involve Ten Hag at all.
As an aside I would have sold Sancho, Fred, Dalot and Ronaldo last summer so my actual starting 11 bares no credence to this reach.
I can give you Ten Hags actual answer. 3. 3 academy products would get in his future 11. It’s a problem but it’s 3. No other answer makes sense right now.
I hate this obsession now with this kind of comparison (not digging at you. People in general).
It's not and never has been about player for player rating, its how they come together as a team and the quality of football that produces. How they gel and behave off the field is also critical.
You guys are playing quite poorly right now in comparison to previous seasons, but Tuchel is no mug. You'll improve, but whether you reach the ceilings of past squads remains to be seen. Personally I doubt it, because something looks like it's been lost along the way.
As United fans know full well, rebuilding a team brings enormous risk
Probably for the best.
That’s about right. They kind of “stood up” and banded together right after the sanctions and everything hit. But then you had everything start to disintegrate after awhile, people couldn’t discuss their contracts, players HAD to be talking about leaving, and at one point you couldn’t even find toilet paper in the building apparently.Our play started to really crash then, and it hasn’t really come back yet.
It might not come back for awhile. Confidence for some has been shattered, injuries keep accumulating on an older core, and it will take awhile for so many players new to each other to play well.
Chelsea wanted Kounde, Raphinha, Dembele and Lewandowski but they all ended up at Barça, who also signed Alonso and Christensen for nothing. And to make the finances work they sold Aubameyang...to Chelsea. Mateu Alemany's remarkable summer had a big assist from Todd Boehly.
Reportedly there's already an agreement in place between the clubs to extend the loan for another year under the same terms. It was said the rules in Italy forbid a straight two year loan so it will have to be one year first and another year after that in a separate deal. No idea whether the 'second loan' is already fully signed in advance or if Inter can still back out or at least renegotiate if Lukaku is shite for them.
The loan gave us a £7M loan fee and another £3.5M in bonuses if he does well or if Inter manage to win something, the exact criteria for the bonus was not published. They also take care of his full salary so on the books we're only taking a £10-13M hit in the amortisation costs this year, as compared to last year when Lukaku's cost on the club's books was £20M in amortisation and £17M in wages so overall around £37M. That means we're saving anywhere between £24-27M this year with him out on loan and if the loan is extended for another year then the same amount saved next year as well. After that he'll only have two years left on his deal and who knows what will happen, either by then he can be sold for a moderate fee on a permanent deal or he'll return to stink up the place again and be our problem.
Either way I'm glad we don't need to watch him play for us this season, and hopefully ever again.
I honestly believe Tuchel actually prefers Fofana over Kounde. If he was so keen on Kounde the deal would've been done last year already, or at the very least early this summer when Barca still hadn't activated their 'levers' and weren't even in for him.
Lewandowski was always a pipe dream that was never going to happen. Him going to Barca allowed us to get Aubameyang who Tuchel likes too. Obviously not as good as Lewandowksi but a decent alternative.
Raphinha is the only one I think the club and Tuchel have regrets missing out on.
You're more than free to have Christensen and Alonso, they're both shite.
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RE Lukaku. Basically a two year loan?
Think the only issue with that is when he returns he’ll be 31 and his value plummeted. Even more so if he’s not successful.
I guess you were backed into a corner with this though and at least the wages are being covered.
RE Lukaku. Basically a two year loan?
Think the only issue with that is when he returns he’ll be 31 and his value plummeted. Even more so if he’s not successful.
I guess you were backed into a corner with this though and at least the wages are being covered.
I actually agree with you, but it's a kind of a conversation starter in a way, to judge these moves in a superficial way. Tuchel has job on his hands now to help this team gel and work together in a cohesive way and that will take time.
Yeah just let's ignore the 57 levers and selling revenue streams for the next 27 decades shall we?
Come again?
Yep, from what I understand it's basically a two year loan at the moment but it's possible that Inter have a clause that allows them to back out if they don't want him for another year. Mind you none of this has been confirmed by either club but an agreement about the loan extension has been reported by most of the reliable Chelsea-journalists (ie. Matt Law).
I agree that it's not an ideal situation because like I said, nobody knows what will actually happen after the two years. At that time he'll have £40M amortisation value left on our books so anything above £25M would be a good deal for us and not produce a massive financial hit. Whether getting that much for him in 2024 would be realistic or not will depend entirely on how he does at Inter so too early to say yet. If he scores 20+ goals in the Serie A both seasons I'm pretty sure there will be a buyer, but if he starts stinking up the place in Italy too and the loan is not a successful one we'll have a problem on our hands.
You were comfortably 3rd until the decline that started in April that nearly dragged you into the top 4 battle.
4-1 Brentford, 4-2 arsenal ring any bells?
Jesus, another one. Did we ever get to the bottom of the situation where some guy was busted repeatedly quoting Goldbridge tweets verbatim in another thread (I'm thinking FdJ's)?
We 'achieved' top four with two home games to spare and finished on a points haul that almost always secures it.
We didn't almost bottle anything.
Weird start to the season for you lot. Think you'll make top 3 again, or be slugging it out with United, Arsenal and Spurs for those remaining 2 places?
Rudiger is such a loss. A lot of signings without actually fixing the problem you have up front, but I guess that defence needed it more after outgoings.
Rudiger is such a loss. A lot of signings without actually fixing the problem you have up front, but I guess that defence needed it more after outgoings.
Top 4 wasn't even part of your discussion for most of the season.
It’s hard to tell but I think we’ll make top 3 again but not without struggling for it. I think 6 teams will battle it out for 3 spots while City stroll to an easy title.
Yeah I tend to agree, they do look unstoppable with Haaland.
Who do you think will be the other challenger outside of Liverpool, Chelsea, United, Spurs and Arsenal for the other 3 spots?
I meant 5, sorry. Don’t think any of the pretenders from previous years will get close this season.
Aubameyang could be just what they need, Tuchel worked with him at Dortmund. People wrote him off when joining Barca but I'd said he'd do well and he was scoring right away. Chelsea might've just made a tricky top 4 easier with the late signings sadly for us.
Newcastle could be the best of the rest, but yeah looks like the gap to the top 6 will be bigger this year.
You copied that from Twitter.
Yeeey, top two! Get in! Thank God we are not first, otherwise media would never stop talking about it.
6 year contract for 20 year old Broja. Good stuff.
Brilliant news about Broja, really excited about him. Think he has big potential.
Hopefully he starts tomorrow.
Hopefully he starts tomorrow.
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