Forest is his level, he should stay there.
Dean Henderson | Nottingham Forest loan watch
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
I don’t see a problem either.
Fans are crying every second for Rashford’s apparent loss of “love of football” - when a goalkeeper wants to play football and not just earn money on the bench at United then that’s showing well “love of football”.
Two thirds of the Henderson games used in that comparison isn’t even games he played for Man Utd.
If he wants to play football, fine, take the loan but don't start smack talking the side that's still (over)paying you. Thats unprofessional. Honestly amazes me that this is even a question.
Were not paying him, Forest are.
I have a soft spot for Henderson, mostly because of that clip where he is in the crowd at Old Trafford celebrating Rashford's debut goal. It's quite clear his priority was to make it at United and he feels let down by the club/Ole over his treatment last season. That still doesn't excuse the fact that he was apparently one of the leaks from the dressing room last season, and him mouthing off to media as soon as he left the club. There are legitimate concerns over his actual ability too. But its genuinely sad to see some of our fans almost reveling in his mistakes.
The contract he has is with us. Fair enough they're covering his wages but he's a united employee. Its baffling that people think what he said was acceptable.
Are people blaming him for conceding 3 goals yesterday? What could he have done better in any of these?
If you have a small-ish keeper like him at a top club, either his passing or shot-stopping needs to be elite.
Unfortunately, that isn't the case with Henderson. He's average at best in both aspects.
Unfortunately, that isn't the case with Henderson. He's average at best in both aspects.
What was it he said that is so unacceptable?
The club treated him very poorly, broke promises, he wanted first team football turned down loans because he was promised first team football and then rotted on the bench for the entire season. I would be pissed off aswell. His career compleatly stalled, he could of been playing first team football somewhere instead he sat on the bench watching one of the worst GK in the PL play infront of him.
Isn't this all according to him? For someone with such self assurance, he should have the mental fortitude to accept when someone takes his place because he's outperformed. Nobody is guaranteed a spot and his outburst made him look petty and childish. Calling your employers' behavior 'criminal' is totally unacceptable (unless it actually is).
Why "almost"?
As for his interview, while I understand people are upset, I find it refreshing to see an athlete saying what he really thinks. It might not show him in a great light in some people's eyes, but it's a positive for me.
As for him leaking, without proof or evidence, it's better to leave it alone.
I'm not pointing a finger at you, but it made me chuckle. A week ago people were blaming Ajax for treating Antony badly, based solely on his side.
That's not it at all. He cost them that game yesterday because he couldn't make a decent save when they were 2 up and another at 2-1.
De Gea saves both of them
No because De Gea saves 2 of them yesterday flower. Not the time for saying he's better than a multiple time POTS
He is not better though. Just look at the last three matches when De Gea was excellent, while Henderson received half a dozen of comical goals.
Christ don’t be so dramatic. What a massive over-reaction that is.Including POTS last year.
While De Gea is nowhere as good as before, and actually would be nice if we can upgrade, he is still a very good keeper. Henderson is a relegation EPL/Championship keeper.
There’s clearly a difference but he didn’t say anything bad enough for the mob to jump on him. Mourinho said far worse stuff every week and still maintained his cult following. Lukaku likewise. I just don’t see a huge amount wrong in calling it honestly on this occasion.,
Correct. Why this needs repeated explanations is frankly hilarious
The problem with this though is the management (ie: Ole etc.) we're long gone by the time he did this interview, what was the point in dragging all that up when it was in the past and those people that went back on those promises aren't at the club anymore?
Just get your head down and try and impress the new management and displace De Gea, that's the best way to do it. I think EtH would've been way more impressed with him doing that and not running away on loan instead.
He clearly doesn’t as they were pretty much unsavable. Completely misses the point though anyway in that saves are only a tiny fraction of a keepers body of work. A proactive keeper prevents even having to make saves because they are already dominating other facets of the game such as claiming high balls and sweeping behind the defence. It’s incredible that after 4 years of awful performances De Gea still has such a faithful following, he will cost us more points over the season thats for certain.
De Gea is usually the player of the season due to how crap the team plays - which starts off from De Gea’s inability to be a proactive goalkeeper.
His POTY stuff means shit all to me - he is winning an award that he himself creates.
His POTY stuff means shit all to me - he is winning an award that he himself creates.
You mean the same way that Henderson has had a poor game and the 'Henderson is absolute shit' crowd is in here? Anybody making any strong claims based on one or two games, in either direction, is idiotic.
Both Henderson and DDG have had some good games and some shit games in the first few games of this season. Let's see how they go over a longer period before making any strong claims about them. Especially as Henderson hasn't played that much over the last couple of years so it's fully expected that he will make more mistakes than normal in the early weeks.
That’s easy for you to say but football careers are incredibly short and as a keeper you can sit a whole season without an opportunity. He was promised game time and watched an inferior keeper play on front of him, of course that would piss off any right minded person and frankly I’m surprised he didn’t say something in the media sooner.
Nail on the head!
Crazy how much support Henderson gets on here, really is no where near good enough yet some would have you believe he is the second coming of VDS.
I am intrested in who the club are scouting long term for the goal keeper position, don’t know much about the prospects coming through at the minuet.
I am intrested in who the club are scouting long term for the goal keeper position, don’t know much about the prospects coming through at the minuet.
This season? He’s been his awful self. Cost us one game already which is already basically unforgivable and then has done nothing in the other games. We have had to lose all control of possession because he’s incapable of even passing the ball. If you think these performances are acceptable then we are watching a different player.
Amazing how the goalie who has conceded the most goals across the 5 top leagues can be defended so heavily. Quite baffling
He made one of the saves of the season just 2 days ago against Maddison. A save that Henderson is totally incapable of doing.
No where near as short for a keeper though, he still has alot of years ahead of him. Plus if he's really as good as he himself believes he is then he would've displaced De Gea before the season is over anyway.
I personally don't think he would've done it, but my opinion doesn't matter, if he believes he can do it then he should've stayed and shown that he's capable of doing it.
And we have literally had to give up on Ten Hag’s possession football because De Gea’s inability to play out from the back. So we are kicking it up the pitch and being a possesion based team that has possesion of 30% at times during the game.
It is quite mad, Henderson is average at all aspects of goalkeeping but because he’s a gobshite people actually buy into his self proclaimed hype.
De Gea may be well past his best and he definitely needs to be replaced, but we’d be worse off starting Henderson every week.
Nah I definitely did, bud
I just found the sarcasm/your comment legit funny.
Thanks
Our game wouldn't of been much different with Henderson in goal though, because he's not the answer either.
Is this De Gea or Henderson?
Because Henderson is letting in 6 goals vs Man City whilst De Gea is letting in 4 goals in vs Brentford.
Context brother. Context.
Was a good but routine camera save. Pickford made three saves better in his game yesterday. I get it now, De Gea maintains his following just for those spectacular saves. What a shame we cant look past just one singular element of keeping when there are so many other facets he fails at.
Yep it’s funny people saying “Henderson isn’t the answer” like that’s somehow relevant too. Most of us have said we don’t think he’s the long term answer, but he’s quite clearly better than De Gea at passing, sweeping and claiming high balls and so for the short term (i.e this season) we would still far better with him in net. Hopefully Dubravka comes into the side soon and we get to see yet another keeper who is better at the basics than De Gea.
seriously, when was the last time such an average player had such vocal fanboys? I fully understand being a CR or Messi fanboy, but how the feck can you be a Dean Henderson fanboy?