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Ukraine has already hit the 'annexed' territory of Crimea several times in the last few months. They aren't afraid to keep going, regardless of the shite the Kremlin is dishing out. Might even hit the Crimean bridge.
Yes, NATO might have to get involved in some way if tactical nuclear weapons are used. But we knew that from the very beginning in February. Nothing really has changed in the situation, apart from the threats getting louder.
I still think we're far away from that possibility, although never say never. The rats in the Kremlin are cornered.
Another absolute massacre by Russia against a column of civilians trying to evacuate to Zaporyzhia, the images are too disturbing to share but the world should see it what Russian world is all about.
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Apathy? They're literally fleeing their homeland.
Russia troops are retreating from Lyman and will try a breakthrough from the encirclement, hopefully none of them makes it alive.
Hopefully they change their mind and surrender. Hoping for so many people to die isn't how we should think I believe.
For a future change in Russia we need a lot of people who understand how wrong their current way is and it seems lik most Russian PoW have at least some of this understanding.
They’ve clearly made a decision not to surrender, I’m not sure what else can we hope for in such a situation.
Our lives would be a lot better if someone set off a few bombs in this room where Putin is giving his speech.
I'm somewhat surprised Putin is increasing, not decreasing, his commitment to the invasion. Annexed territory becomes Russian territory and "Russian territory" must be defended, no?
Putin: "Anglo-Saxons" arranged explosions in pipelines. 
His only way is to double down.
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I believe that's what has been said, with the threat of nuclear. Just when you think things can't get worse
Ceasefire, yeah right.
I genuinely fear it’s a matter of time before Putin pushes the button. He’s not backing down and is instead escalating things at every turn. They are not winning the war without using nukes, and losing the war doesn’t seem to be an option for him.
I really hope there are sane heads in the Kremlin who will stop him if he goes there, but they all seem like fascist lunatics from the outside.
I hope to feck China sends a clear warning to Putin not to go nuclear.
I really hope there are sane heads in the Kremlin who will stop him if he goes there, but they all seem like fascist lunatics from the outside.
I hope to feck China sends a clear warning to Putin not to go nuclear.
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He is desperate to end this war while still gaining something from it. What the right thing to do from here for Ukraine, i don't know.
Putin has definitely been isolated too much during Covid and has been reading too much Russian Daily Mail.
Batshit how the World Cup in 2018 went ahead in Russia and ennobled the seizure of more territory and this sort of aggressive behaviour.
He has lost it completely, the guy has gone totally insane.
Keep doing what they are doing. If Russia uses nuclear weapons, then NATO will respond in kind. It would be an irrational action from Russia, albeit one that feels ever more likely. Putin's had all the off-ramps he would ever need and has ignored all of them. Unfortunately, it will be a uncomfortable ride for the next few weeks, months and years. There's not much we can do about that, except continue to oppose his aggression in Ukraine.
From best to worst for Ukraine:
1) Winning the war, getting back their territories and joining NATO (very unlikely).
2) Agreeing with Russia that Russia keeps Crimea while Ukraine joins NATO (very unlikely).
3) Agreeing with Russia that Russia keeps Crimea while Ukraine stays neutral (unlikely).
4) Winning the war and getting everything except Crimea (unlikely).
5) The war continuing for some time with a kind of stalemate, with Russia fortifying their positions (possible).
6) Sane as (5) but Ukraine having enough of it and giving those territories (unlikely).
7) Losing the war and so having to give up those territories with chances being high for another invasion (Kharkiv/Odessa) in a couple of years (unlikely).
8) Suing for peace after Russia uses tactical nukes (possible).
9) Getting destroyed by Russian nukes (heavy unlikely).
10) Total destruction of the civilization by a tactical nuke exchange that goes strategic (extremely unlikely).
I think that either a stalemate or Russia using tactical nukes are the main possibilities right now. Though of course, someone killing Putin might change the scenario. But I do not see Putin accepting a defeat while still has the nuke card.
What do you think NATO would do in the case of a nuclear attack on Ukraine? I doubt they will repay it in similar fashion, more sanctions maybe, but that won't help the dead Ukrainians.
If someone took him out the turmoil would be insane, he probably has a pre recorded video of him self with responses like I'm still alive please continue special operation.
Seriously though if he wasn’t there I just wonder which gangster would get the nuke codes.
Seriously though if he wasn’t there I just wonder which gangster would get the nuke codes.
NATO won’t get involved, I think the US will act on their own accord to not destabilize Europe. Even Putin understands he wouldn’t want to face US in standalone fight.
I read an article a few days ago where they mentioned 4 options:
1) Capitulating and suing for peace.
2) Total sanctions (similar to those of North Korea) with sanctions towards states that do not sanction Russia. Likely China will withdraw the support for Russia and so Russia becomes isolated.
3) Conventional warfare against the Russian forces in Ukraine.
4) Using nukes against Russia.
The article concluded that pretty much everyone high in Biden’s administration knows that the real choice is between (2) and (3).
Why are all of those unlikely? So far it’s going this way.
Someone needs to assassinate this joker.
What's with this "anglo-saxons" stuff? Is it a reference to something? I don't remember this being a thing.
You can bet some of our western "leaders" will only hear this part out of the entire speech and force Ukraine to the negotiating table just like they did in 2014 Minsk agreement. After bending over for decades I am convinced it will happen again.
I think 1-5 are by far the most likely outcomes. Russia is getting weaker for every day and Ukraine is getting stronger.
Because he still has the nuclear card and I do not see him accepting defeat while can still use nukes.
Probably a reference to the US & UK.
Russia have the numbers but that's about it at this point. Throwing more men into the war won't change anything against a battle hardened and well equipped military. If anything it will do the reverse, throwing untrained men into a bloody war will be a disaster for Russia.
If Russia uses nuclear weapons, the West will respond to ensure a complete Russian defeat. It’s up to Russia how far and how quickly they want to escalate this, but everything points towards their defeat right now. That could be tucking their tail between their legs and withdrawing (now very unlikely) or putting the West in a position where they have no choice but to militarily intervene and destroy their armed forces.
Do you see any scenario where Russia nukes Ukraine and the US and its allies just accepts it?
He's big into his Russian Empire pan-Slavic peoples versus the Anglo Saxons of Western Europe.