If the board is electronic, it may be a good project for the Ukrainians (or others) to hack.
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If the board is electronic, it may be a good project for the Ukrainians (or others) to hack.
The West is providing weapons? You want more to be done. It’s like a game of chess. Let’s see if Russia do escalate things because current it is losing the war.
Or the beginning, pretty scary stuff
I agree with you.
Actually, if NATO used its Air Force in March, when the Russian encirclement of Kiev had already failed, I think it would be a great way out for Putin too. He would claim that he cannot wage war against all of NATO. On the other hand, it was impossible for him to accept that he lost to Ukraine alone. That's why his propagandists are always saying that the war is against NATO.
The West was too timid, and many people died and will continue to die because of this. A show of force in the first few weeks would end things right there. Unfortunately, Scholz, Macron, Biden, etc are weak leaders. And there is no consensus in the West. Ukrainians pay for this with their blood.
Indeed.
No doubt - it's a ploy the West have used in this conflict as well: keep supplying ever more useful weapons to Ukraine over and extended period and they're well past the red lines Russia set at the outset.
After hearing comments from the head of NATO tonight I’m convinced of this now, that US made it clear to the partners that it will take care of this by themselves not to drag Europe into the war.
Yeah footie tournament is to blame.
Yes. If you arent willing to fight them then they have already won. What after Ukraine? The Baltics? Estonia? Poland? Or is it only when they arrive on your doorstep (not you personally, I dont know where you are from) that action needs to be taken?
That’s not what I said, and you surely know it. I’m saying that it was batshit that four years after them invading and annexing parts of Ukraine, the entire West pretended it didn’t happen and we all went and played a major sporting event there, with all the kudos that brought.
In Britain I remember more oppositon to Euro 2012 in Ukraine when Sol Campbell went on the TV and told black people they would be killed if they went over there. I barely took my wife seriously at her thoughts that the Russian World Cup should be boycotted. No wonder Putin feels like he can invade, seize land and the world will very quickly forget.
100%, and my home is in the city that’s like 30km from Belarus (defacto Russian) border but the line needs to be drawn now.
how does this end without a nuke being dropped now?
Conventional warfare will inevitably end with Russia’s defeat.
I don’t think putin will run away with his tail between his legs or admit any sort of defeat as that would spell the end of him and the power that he has.
I was born in 76 and remember being afraid of nuclear war as a child (especially with a father in the army) but I think we are closer to something cataclysmic now then at any time I remember before.
It may very well be necessary depending on what happens over the next few months and I’m fully behind not allowing putin to strong arm anyone into backing down but it feels like this war might come a lot closer to home than it has so far pretty quickly.
Conventional warfare will inevitably end with Russia’s defeat.
I don’t think putin will run away with his tail between his legs or admit any sort of defeat as that would spell the end of him and the power that he has.
I was born in 76 and remember being afraid of nuclear war as a child (especially with a father in the army) but I think we are closer to something cataclysmic now then at any time I remember before.
It may very well be necessary depending on what happens over the next few months and I’m fully behind not allowing putin to strong arm anyone into backing down but it feels like this war might come a lot closer to home than it has so far pretty quickly.
So did anyone jump to congratulate Putin & Russia with this amazing achievement? Apart from Lukashenko of course.
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In that audience I wonder how many sons were sent to die, while they had to cheer and smile
The West still has some escalation options before we get to firing bullets. if they declare Russia a terrorist state and “encourage” the Chinese to drop their support, there’s a decent chance that there would be regime chance in Russia. In any case, we can’t give a fascist dictator of a country with a second rate army and a third rate economy carte blanche to rewrite the map of Europe just because he has nukes and plays madman theory.
I agree 100% but doesn’t make it any less concerning.
It’s normal to be afraid but the fear shouldn’t rule us.
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Not sure I follow.
I am all for it, too. It is in time of need that we should join with our friends and protect them. Yes, there is an huge element of risk. There is also an element of risk if we don't do it. If Merkel and Sarkozy had accepted Ukraine in NATO in 2008, we'd have no war, no huge gas prices, no dead Russian soldiers, no dead Ukrainian soldiers and civilians. Being a coward is a risk, too.
So esentially, appeasement failed in February, and half measures to avoid escalation ended up failing in September. What's next?
My impression is that the most spectacular victories in war come from fully commiting, and the most sensational defeats come from half assing. What will be the choice?
My impression is that the most spectacular victories in war come from fully commiting, and the most sensational defeats come from half assing. What will be the choice?
Sorry meant to say it shouldn’t rule us.
It's like going back in time the way they speak, "holy wars" for goodness sakes.
A long night in front of orcs in Lyman unless they surrender in thousands.
It’s a weird, maybe unique trait of Russian ultranationalism that they claim to be the future redeemer of a region (Europe) much more advanced than them. A coping mechanism whereby “our life is sh*t” transforms into an assumption of moral superiority through suffering.
UN is absolutely broken and pointless at this point, might as well disband it. How is Russia still having a veto right? A complete mockery.
Is it? I think it's present in more or less all conservative schools of thought?
Maybe not through suffering though, that is a Russian thing.
I can’t think of many other countries that have a sense of destiny (at least among some “intellectuals”) of redeeming a more developed neighbouring area. It’s normally the other way round - some backward region offers an opportunity for exploitation in the name of bringing civilisation.
UN is useless, don’t remember doing anything useful. The problem is in veto power of 5 countries (with the US and Russia vetoing whatever they do not like and ignoring resolutions they do not like), and without any mechanism of removing the veto power of a country.
I swear I'm a real sucker for massive catching-ups. I'm such a procrastinator sometimes.
Don't bother; China is utterly pathetic in diplomacy. They always like to use their wolf warrior diplomats to bark shit at the West, but they will never have the balls to use that same rhetoric against fellow dictatorships through that punchable face of a spokesperson of the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
Preferably in public as well.
Think about this: China threw millions of troops to support North Korea during the Korean War with the vast majority being very motivated veterans of the Sino-Japanese War and the Chinese Civil War. Despite initial successes, they were cut down, stopped and finally pushed back by the smaller, well-equipped and (in many cases) battle-hardened U.N. coalition. Anyone with some degree of interest in the history of warfare would know that sheer numbers stopped being a factor from around that war and beyond.
The man is mad enough to bring a military, social, demographic and economical disaster that will take decades to recover upon his country. The more you read his speech, the more you think he has gone down the same route as Brig. Gen Jack D. Ripper from Dr. Strangelove. But the really sad thing about that jackass speaking today is that we are all focused on that crap when we should be following and celebrating the Ukrainian advance in encircling Lyman.
If that is not already a clear signal for Ukraine to blow that bridge up, then I don't know what that signal will be. Sending Ukraine a few of those long-range (300km+) missiles for the HIMARS should be about right to get the job done. I know some analysts who studied the question said that blowing up the bridge would make it more difficult for NATO intel to track down supplying routes for Russian forces, but I say that supplying by maritime routes would not be much of a factor because we've already seen that they just don't have the capabilities to provide a consistent and solid supply line from the sea.
Don't bother; China is utterly pathetic in diplomacy. They always like to use their wolf warrior diplomats to bark shit at the West, but they will never have the balls to use that same rhetoric against fellow dictatorships through that punchable face of a spokesperson of the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
Preferably in public as well.
Think about this: China threw millions of troops to support North Korea during the Korean War with the vast majority being very motivated veterans of the Sino-Japanese War and the Chinese Civil War. Despite initial successes, they were cut down, stopped and finally pushed back by the smaller, well-equipped and (in many cases) battle-hardened U.N. coalition. Anyone with some degree of interest in the history of warfare would know that sheer numbers stopped being a factor from around that war and beyond.
The man is mad enough to bring a military, social, demographic and economical disaster that will take decades to recover upon his country. The more you read his speech, the more you think he has gone down the same route as Brig. Gen Jack D. Ripper from Dr. Strangelove. But the really sad thing about that jackass speaking today is that we are all focused on that crap when we should be following and celebrating the Ukrainian advance in encircling Lyman.
If that is not already a clear signal for Ukraine to blow that bridge up, then I don't know what that signal will be. Sending Ukraine a few of those long-range (300km+) missiles for the HIMARS should be about right to get the job done. I know some analysts who studied the question said that blowing up the bridge would make it more difficult for NATO intel to track down supplying routes for Russian forces, but I say that supplying by maritime routes would not be much of a factor because we've already seen that they just don't have the capabilities to provide a consistent and solid supply line from the sea.
Rich history going back to never.
Meanwhile Cuba actually played a significant part in ending apartheid South Africa.