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Ah damn, they're onto West plans.
Yeah it’s bit like saying I’m going to punch you in the face but you have to promise not to hit me back!
But if NATO were to set up a no fly zone, they rightly wouldn't half ass it. It would involve setting up NATO troops within Ukraine, air defence systems and probably thinking about neutralising systems that could harm NATO troops/ equipment. The chance of a direct hit on NATO troops would increase significantly.
And despite what others said, Ukraine isn't going to be joining NATO any time soon, barring a massive change in circumstances or a change in NATO rules.
Ha they're such fecking idiots. If the west is close to collapse, why not wait it out? If the birth rate means we're going to fade away?
More importantly, isn't Russia's population actually shrinking and has a lower birth rate than almost all western countries? Aren't they going to shrink it even more by sending many of their young men off to die on the front lines and causing others to flee?
How is hitting Ukraine, not a western country, going to accelerate anything anyway?
This nonsense doesn't even make the slightest bit of sense.
When you get to that stage then yes that would be going on the attack but that's not what I was talking about. For example Kyiv is far from the front lines, they could hypothetically choose to set up a limited no fly zone for the sole purpose of protecting the city from drone and missile attacks. That doesn't involve targeting Russian troops, vehicles or infrastructure, they're mission would be to neutralize drones and missiles that's it. NATO/US have in the past set up limited no fly zones in Syria while the Russian military were also operating in that country and it didn't lead to direct conflict. It won't happen but hypothetically it wouldn't amount to NATO attacking Russia either.
Kosovo isn't part of NATO either.
Russia “returns” after seeing Turkey not giving a feck.
That’s exactly how the world powers need to deal with Russia as I was saying from the start.
Russia “returns” after seeing Turkey not giving a feck.
Yep, just ignore their threats and see that nothing happens, as Russia doesn't dare to attack any NATO assets
People don’t seem to understand that the core of Russian regime is made up from the simple criminals from 90s who only care about themselves and they would never put at the risk their actual livelihoods and wealth. However like any criminal they know how to scare people into giving in but once challenged they’ll always back down if they know they’re weaker. That’s why the voices and actions always need to be firm with respect to Russia.
Is it a russian thing that they love soliloquies or are they paid by the words on the telly? Putin speeches are hours long too.
I think that's just too simplistic. You don't know how Putin in his bunker might react, or how his military might respond to direct threats from a nuclear enemy.
Nuclear armed states try to avoid coming into direct conflict with each other in order to reduce the risks of nuclear escalation. Responsible leaders have to consider the risks, authoritarians like Putin do not. If Russia can be contained, weakened and beaten while reducing nuclear risk, but the price is it takes time, then who is to say that is the wrong move.
His rant last week was over 4 hours long. What the feck was he waffling on about for 4 hours.
I refuse to believe even in Russia anyone actually sat down and listened to all that shit.
His rant last week was over 4 hours long. What the feck was he waffling on about for 4 hours.
I refuse to believe even in Russia anyone actually sat down and listened to all that shit.
Wtf! How his first 5 minutes got their attention or he would have lost the crowd after the 2nd hour!
Six pack of GMLRS rockets hitting the pontoon crossing next to the Antonivskiy bridge, all six hitting the same spot. The precision on these rockets are insane.
p-code gps
Reminds me a little of a right wing rally here in the states.
looks like they all missed and hit the water doesn't it, or is that my 10pm eyesight?
We could just ignore that city for a while.
Russians attack the city in the morning, retreat in the afternoon, and UKR declares the attack repulsed.
Every day, rinse and repeat. Nothing would be different. In 2030, UKR forces will be in Anadyr, and the Wagner group will continue to assault the city.
It’s so bizarre, all the military analysts agree it doesn’t hold any great tactical value but Russia have been throwing waves of soldiers at it for months at catastrophic loss.
I think they think that it is key to defend (or prevent UKR from attacking) big cities around there, such as Donetsk and Luhansk. The area apparently has a UKR logistic hub there or is a good place for fortification.
What I've read (newspaper possibly?) is that it's all Wagner in Bakhmut. Prigozhin has been criticizing the Russian army a lot while claiming that Wagner would do better. They therefore can't afford losing this battleground - it would show they're just as incapable of fighting Ukraine successfully. So the argument is that this emphasis on Bakhmut isn't about the city but about Wagner's reputation.
I just don't want to read too much into those childish rivalries between them. UKR forces have been reinforcing a city to the north of Bakhmut lately. There is a reason why UKR forces are defending the city with their own losses on that front. Even if it is a 1 to 6 ratio (if true), it has to add up to a large number of casualties after months. I just think that UKR would require a location to serve as a command post if they were to march to those major cities, and this location is ideal for that purpose. It has good fortifications and logistical connections, which is why the city has withstood Wagner's assaults in waves for months.
Wagner knows it, and they want to capture that city for their possible offensive in the other direction as well. At least, having it would protect their left flank on Donetsk oblast, I would think.
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I thought the same. Looked like just water being thrown up, not much debris.
Something very odd going on in kherson. Looks like the bulk of the Russian forces have withdrawn to the other side of the river. Russian flag has been removed from the main administration building.
Locals reporting only odd small groups of Russians remain.
This smells very much like a trap to me. Giving up the largest city captured with a whimper, especially as putin made such a big thing of taking it for Russia, forever.
Lots of heavy Russian artilery still on the far bank of the river, plus Russia asking civilians to leave over the last few days make me think there may be a nasty turn coming.
Not sure what, but could be a tactical nuke ( unlikely I think) blow the dam ( possible, but likely the Ukrainians have prepped for this). Could also be a thermobaric shit storm coming for Ukrainian troops if they mass in the city.
This would be the easiest option for the Russian forces and most in keeping with their m.o so far. Raize anything to the ground.
Hope I'm wrong and they have just fecked off to Moscow
Locals reporting only odd small groups of Russians remain.
This smells very much like a trap to me. Giving up the largest city captured with a whimper, especially as putin made such a big thing of taking it for Russia, forever.
Lots of heavy Russian artilery still on the far bank of the river, plus Russia asking civilians to leave over the last few days make me think there may be a nasty turn coming.
Not sure what, but could be a tactical nuke ( unlikely I think) blow the dam ( possible, but likely the Ukrainians have prepped for this). Could also be a thermobaric shit storm coming for Ukrainian troops if they mass in the city.
This would be the easiest option for the Russian forces and most in keeping with their m.o so far. Raize anything to the ground.
Hope I'm wrong and they have just fecked off to Moscow
I don't think the Russian army has the capability to raize Kherson to the ground. If they had that fire power, they could have destroyed the amassing Ukrainian forces heading for Kherson without any retreat.
I think this pretty much confirms that Russia doesn't have the ability to hold Kherson and actually are doing the smart thing for once - performing an orderly retreat.
Whatever they're planning, let's hope the NSA is reading their mail
Yeah it would be a logistical headache for Ukraine but they could (and probably have already planned to) just shift a logistics hub back to a safer city if needs be.
I have actually seen people saying the Wagner group probably has Bakhmut as a specific part of their contract and so they have to try and take it. Pure speculation of course but it just seems a bit odd.
Iran lining up to attack Saudi supposedly now, world’s gone mad.
It does have the hallmarks of a trap, seen more reports of troops dressing in civ clothing too.
I think it’s more likely the constant logistics pressure Ukraine has been putting on them the last few months is taking its toll. They just can’t operate that side of the river, the bridges are kept unusable, pontoon was blown up again the other day. They may expect an attack soon so need to save/loot what they can.
Be funny if Ukraine just bypass it, jump over the river and push south.
Oh I do hope so
https://news.sky.com/story/britain-too-deep-into-ukraine-war-russian-ambassador-says-12737416
Telling us what we already know.
Telling us what we already know.
I think UKR would be wise to keep a safe distance from the city for the time being while attacking them with artillery. It keeps tons of Russians troops occupied there. If UKR keeps up with their offensives in the east, the Russians will simply abandon it for fear of being surrounded from the east. Once UKR forces get armed, Russians are never going to keep a big city like Kherson for a long time anyway.
It also gives them headaches for providing support to the area.
It also gives them headaches for providing support to the area.
However...
AP Report on Bucha.