how can so many people get something so basic completely wrong?City were found guilty and had to pay a fine. How this translates to completely innocent is beyond me.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
how can so many people get something so basic completely wrong?City were found guilty and had to pay a fine. How this translates to completely innocent is beyond me.
The only thing City were found guilty of is telling UEFA to feck off, which was a clear strategy to get to CAS apparently.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...tball-news/man-city-uefa-cas-premier-26175605
Always was and is an enormous hypocritical twat.
How can Pep state so confidently about Citys financial dealings. He is the Manager, not an accountant.
Well unless he is neck deep in in
Well unless he is neck deep in in
Evidence was time barred so wasn't considered (although I'm not sure if it takes a genius to work out that the Etihad £400m sponsorship package wasn't market value). I just don't see a way when it's not time barred this is ever explained without them being punished and that's not even going into double contracts or the mysterious sponsors who don't exist.
They were charged for failing to cooperate, just as they are doing now. Not found guilty, not proven innocent (despite their press releases).
Exploiting grey areas is what gives team an advantage.
Just look at the amount of times F1 teams pushed grey area boundaries and were later not allowed to use it.
Sport is all about gaining as many advantages as you can no matter how small pushing those grey areas can be the difference between being 1st or 2nd.
18/20 serie A teams were later found to be doing the same as Juventus.
The whole league was doing it and it wasn't anything out of the ordinary.
Unethical yes but it was only punished by fine until they changed the rules when all the revelations about Juventus and the league came to light.
Yes Juventus may behave unethical at times but there was definitely a witch hunt to take Juve down in 2006.
Ah man, he would have been so much better to say nothing and pretend the finances of the club are none of his business or above his head.
To defend this looks really bad now and will look a lot worse in the future
To defend this looks really bad now and will look a lot worse in the future
Some breaches were time barred not evidence. So they couldn't even look in to the Etihad deal pre 2015 iirc... Basically some of Uefa's charges were too old. The ones that weren't were argued away by our army of lawyers and as CAS put it "not established". So basically Everything pre 2015 or 16 (not sure) was too old, and City won almost everything that could be put in front of CAS.
Pep clearly has no idea.
Imagine being innocent and paying a fine. Its just that the journalists asking him dont have the Cojones to say.. its not innocent when you have to pay a fine is it?
One friend pointed to one thing. Something along the lines of they wont get punished with being thrown to Championship or points deducted cause, with Superleague looming large again, that kind of punishment might pushed them to SL again and PL wouldn't want that.
Found guilty of not co-operating with UEFA. And that was several years into the process after according to City the trust between the two parties broken down. The time-barred stuff that half this thread thinks we got found guilty on but not punished because of a technicality on was thrown automatically out of court so no one knows what would have happened at CAS if both sides could run that case. We will find out now
City were found guilty and had to pay a fine. How this translates to completely innocent is beyond me.
Sums him up. Giant hypocrite of a man. Never seen a man go around pretending he has all these morals as much as this guy does and then do and say things that basically prove has has none. Much prefer Klopp to him.
Pep is so shameless
But city weren’t proven completely innocent were they? They were time barred and got off on technicalities.
So if they'll not be proven innocent he says they'll accept the decision but he wont leave.
But if they get thrown to lower league I fully expect him to leave, giant hypocrite he is.
But if they get thrown to lower league I fully expect him to leave, giant hypocrite he is.
3 were time barred, 2 lacked sufficient evidence. The 2 though were basically just going off the hacked emails and, given City didn't cooperate, it probably wasn't too difficult to make it impossible for someone to prove. That's what people always forget in these cases, the defendant doesn't have to prove their innocence, they simply have to make it impossible for a judge have conclusive evidence to find them guilty. For example, one of City's defences was some of the arrangements contained in the emails which would have breached FFP never actually happened - without actually going through the clubs finances with a fine comb there's no way you could disprove this and there's also things like 'his highness' being the wrong prince and lots of vague details which you wouldn't be able to prove without complete access to accounts. When you add that up and include the controversy around 2/3 of the panel appointments it wasn't particularly surprising CAS ruled the way it did.
I'm not sure I'd say City "won" given this was what prompted the PL investigation - seeing evidence of cheating and knowing there'd be no time bar option this time - but City were not found guilty of what UEFA ad accused them of, that is correct.
The fact the media will just let them portray a false narrative in the open.
This we were innocent last time rubbish which is a complete lie they even got punished albeit a lot less then the initial charges were for.
shows just how many people have been coerced by the same methods.
This we were innocent last time rubbish which is a complete lie they even got punished albeit a lot less then the initial charges were for.
shows just how many people have been coerced by the same methods.
The time barred stuff has you bang to rights. Like you say, it's only a technicality why it got thrown out. Had it been admissible you'd have no way out. Pep's 'completely innocent' wording is plainly wrong.
The PL investigation was started long before the CAS verdict. Of course won is the right word, while I don't feel it was clean, Uefa tried to say City cooked the ffp books and lost therefor City won.
This doesn't mean I believe we're innocent (I don't), but as we all know theres guilty and theres legally guilty.
What makes you so confident it does? Also if you aren't guilty you are completely innocent, thats kinda how it works. Presuming guilt because something was time barred is not how it works. I think City are guilty as do most, but proving it is a hell of a challenge.
I wouldn't have thought it would be a good idea for Pep to publicly comment on this.
Pep is not a stupid man. In fact, he could be stupid and it wouldn't matter because anyone can see how City's original growth was achieved. I am convinced the only reason City gets away with this is if they have covered their tracks so well that nothing sticks. There is no innocence to be had here, just technicalities. If Pep is so convinced of any wrongdoing, then he is clearly complicit. There is no shock in football that City is accused of these charges, everyone already knew. The only shock comes from the fact the Premier League had actually gone through with it.
The blood scandal at barca should be enough for you to know pep’s part of the narrative.
There's usually a press officer around to block questions or answer questions on behalf of the club or sometimes just read a statement out at the beginning when something big is happening. The fact that they sent him out in front of the cameras on his own is kinda wild.
Saint Pep is bending the knee for his paymasters again, I see. Certain of what happened at the club before he was even there.
That was the weird thing about it. But honestly people are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
What he essentially said
"Just like last time the club told me they are confident of being proven not guilty and they were last time. I believe them"
"If we're found not guilty the other clubs will say what they've said all along"
"If we are found guilty we'll accept it and deal with it"
Just heard the pep, and that's all I heard was behind the bullshit was we have good lawyers and hope the other teams have good lawyers.
And they were found innocent. My ass
And they were found innocent. My ass
We will find out
Isn't the usual tactic to say nothing? Who is he trying to convince by saying all this? Himself?
Shredding his legacy at every turn.
Pep is an incredible hypocrite
He even mentioned Mike Summerbee and stuff.
If a paedo within plain sight hid evidence of his shenanigans, and three of his 5 'files' "probably" contained damning pictures. Would you say it was in his interest to ensure all five files were clearly in the open to avoid any confusion? Or is he completely and utterly 'legally innocent' because those 3 files never got to court (time barred)?
Would you send your kids to his house to play?
Edit: would Pep send his kids because it was his loyal work colleague?
Thanks for the heads up was a good listen, apart from the city fan who trotted out the same old ridiculousness that 99% of them do. He lost me about 30 seconds in when he said ‘back before the takeover when we had no money and united and Chelsea could spend what they liked and do what they liked’
Ignoring that our spend from the start of the prem until their takeover in 08 was £350mill and City’s was £200mill despite them spending a third of that time in lower divisions.
Good listen apart from that.
What is weird is having irrefutable evidence of being innocent and refusing to hand it over to your accusers. Spending four years fighting a case that you can’t wait for so that this can all end once and for all. Putting up blockers and refusing to cooperate for years, when you’re only the innocent victims in all of this.
That’s weird. It’s almost like City are guilty as hell and are trying everything possible to find technicalities to delay, stall and get off.
Disgrace.
Fool no one, you only ran away with your lives on the technicality of time barred and the "sources of the evidence".
Just in case we are not innocent we will accept what the premiership decide...
We will be back, I'm sure...He is pretending its the same accusations as before.
No Pep, baby, this is fraudy fraudy by 'My People'.
He's such a dickhead