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The 'headline' reads much more positive than the actual quotes. Some of these politicians seem to be even more extreme than Putin. They are rather like "let's escalate the nuclear deterrence to prevent further weapon deliveries to Ukraine" than "this madness needs to stop".
 
The 'headline' reads much more positive than the actual quotes. Some of these politicians seem to be even more extreme than Putin. They are rather like "let's escalate the nuclear deterrence to prevent further weapon deliveries to Ukraine" than "this madness needs to stop".

To be expected.

There are no actual adversaries of Putin in the Russian political establishment. It's a puppet show. His actual political adversaries are in prison and their voices are banned from mainstream media. All those politicians are in the payroll of the Kremlin, to offer different voices to the masses but only strictly within the limits the Kremlin allows. Their show would come to an end with Putin's downfall. So of course they are advocating for continuous escalation as well. It's self preservation of the establishment.

Advocating for withdrawal from Ukraine is not something you'll hear from any politician in Russia. Criticising some tactics of the "SMO" is allowed, but being against it altogether is not acceptable to the Kremlin. So the politicians will either stay quiet or they will shout for more escalation. Those are the only avenues to them within the confines of the system.
 
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To be expected. There are no actual adversaries of Putin in the Russian political establishment. It's a puppet show. His actual political adversaries are in prison and their voices are banned from mainstream media. All those politicians are in the payroll of the Kremlin, to offer different voices to the masses but only strictly within the limits the Kremlin allows.

Their show would come to an end with Putin's downfall. So of course they are advocating for continuous escalation as well. It's self preservation of the establishment.

Yeah, but at least to me the opening tweet of that Twitter thread read a little bit as if they were turning on Putin/increasing the pressure on him/openly challenging him
 
The 'headline' reads much more positive than the actual quotes. Some of these politicians seem to be even more extreme than Putin. They are rather like "let's escalate the nuclear deterrence to prevent further weapon deliveries to Ukraine" than "this madness needs to stop".
You have to remember this is propaganda and not just for the Russian people. It’s being exported to the west and designed to give Russia the same level of crazy dangerous that North Korea enjoy.
 


Watch this.

@harms interested in your opinion on this.

I am reading his first book now and I have to say, I feel like there's no light at all where Russia is concerned.
 
I'm no historian or anything, but I read an article in a Danish paper with a historian saying that it looked like Russia were trying to win in the east of Ukraine by doing what they did in Belarus against Germany in WW2 during Operation Bagration. Basically attacking in a lot of different places such that the opponent don't know where exactly to reinforce. I'm thinking it's difficult to do that in this day and age and be successful when satellites will tell us where the next big offensive is coming though.
 


Watch this.

@harms interested in your opinion on this.

I am reading his first book now and I have to say, I feel like there's no light at all where Russia is concerned.

I’ll try to look it at some point.

Which book? The memoirs or the thing about fake news?
 
I'm no historian or anything, but I read an article in a Danish paper with a historian saying that it looked like Russia were trying to win in the east of Ukraine by doing what they did in Belarus against Germany in WW2 during Operation Bagration. Basically attacking in a lot of different places such that the opponent don't know where exactly to reinforce. I'm thinking it's difficult to do that in this day and age and be successful when satellites will tell us where the next big offensive is coming though.
Knowing where the next offensive is coming is helpful but doesn't help that much if you are unable to mobilise sufficiently to repel it.
 
I’ll try to look it at some point.

Which book? The memoirs or the thing about fake news?
The memoirs - "Nothing is True and Everything is Possible: Adventures in Modern Russia"
 
Looks like RA is pushing with a lot of troops in the North East recently and more troops are gathering in the North of the UA.
 
The memoirs - "Nothing is True and Everything is Possible: Adventures in Modern Russia"
I've watched the video on the background but it was a bit tough to follow since to me everything he was saying was already talked to death. But yeah, the imperialism, the resentment etc., it's all there and it was always there and now we all witness how ugly these things can turn out to be if left unattended.

As for the inevitable doom and gloom regarding the future? If we're talking immediate future or, say, the next decade, we can only hope that by the end of that period Russia will be on the right path to becoming a normal democratic society. On the very, very beginning of that path — and that's the best case. But if we're talking about the historical perspective I think it'll be alright some day... there's nothing innately wrong with Russians, Russian soul or whatever. The issue is that the likes of Great Britain, Germany etc. started the process of reevaluating and making up for their past way earlier and now they're already way ahead. Russia should've started that process in the 90's by admitting the crimes of the Soviet Union — against the world & against its own people — and trying to work through it, but went with the easier route of just ignoring them (aside from organizations like Memorial).

Take the unresolved issues of the past, add one corrupt dictator with unlimited power with a decade of ridiculously high prices on endless natural resources that can be used to create the illusion of developing and progressive economy -> country... cook the whole thing on a small (gas) fire for 20 years and this is what you'll get.
 
Yeah, but at least to me the opening tweet of that Twitter thread read a little bit as if they were turning on Putin/increasing the pressure on him/openly challenging him

No politician can openly challenge Putin in Russia. The next day they will be under investigation for corruption, and they will go to jail. Many politicians are already corrupt, but it is easy to manufacture "evidence" as well. Russia is a mafia state, you cannot challenge the head of the Mafia.
 
Thats what I had been thinking till Ukraine regain so much territory in september

Lets suppose that Ukraine conquers all territory Crimea included. Victory, great. Lets say that russia just dedicates his days bombing Ukraine from its borders as they are virtually untouchable in their homeland

What Ukraine/the West will do in that case?
1. Equip Ukraine with enough air defence missiles to deal with it, although it's not likely that Russia will just keep on bombing Ukraine with no gains whatsoever.
2. Keep up with (and strengthen) the sanction until the Russian population really start feeling it. Radically weakened private economy will change the public opinion in Russia.
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64629156

US warns that dual citizens face Russian conscription

The US has warned its citizens to leave Russia immediately or risk wrongful detention or conscription to fight in Ukraine.

In a new travel warning, the State Department said Russia may refuse to acknowledge US-Russian dual citizenship.

The warning added that US citizens had already "been interrogated without cause and threatened".