Qatar or Ineos - which owners would you prefer? | Vote now Private

Which owners would you prefer?

  • Qatar

    Votes: 961 62.8%

  • Ineos

    Votes: 570 37.2%
  • Total voters
    1,531
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The moral standards of the majority of our internet fanbase is mindblowingly low. Yes, you need to hear it.
Not just the moral bit. The longterm effects of being owned by and an absolute monarchy, with a terrible human rights record, goes far beyond getting financially doped out of our depts.
It's like pissing yourselves to get warm if freezing a bit.
 
romufc said:
Yep the absolute state of our fan base.

City have won the last 4/5 PL titles. They have dominated the league cup, got to CL semis and finals... who would want that right?

So fans dont want on the pitch success because we will be like CIty?

Lets look off field, upgraded training ground, one of the best youths, cheap season tickets -yep, we shoudn't want that. Instead you probably lobby for more commercial seats and boxes at OT right?

Manutd are not like City even with rich owners - We have proven success from the past.
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And yet we’re three points off them coming off our worst season for years, with fully incompetent owners. PSG haven’t managed to win a champions League with Qatari money either. There’s no guarantees.
 
Scandi Red said:
Evil capitalism plus sportswashing
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Evil capitalism minus sportswashing

Easy choice for me.
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A nice way to put it and I'm exactly the same.

Jim would be much better than the Glazers and we'd not have to sell our soul to achieve that. He's a local United fan too.
 
Tarrou said:
well you'd better get used to it if we're bought by Qatar, we'll be compared to City constantly
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We're compared to them now, no? How much we've paid out in debts, and how much City have invested, etc.

But we all know historically there is no comparison. They can hardly sell out their stadium, we constantly do. We were winning before the new owners, whereas they weren't.

Depends what comparisons you want to draw.
 
Dan_F said:
And yet we’re three points off them coming off our worst season for years, with fully incompetent owners. PSG haven’t managed to win a champions League with Qatari money either. There’s no guarantees.
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Yep, so our success in the last 5 years is, we are 3 points off City in second.

Who said there are guarantees? On the pitch?

The guarantees I do have is, with the Glazers the club will rot to a point where no one will be interested in it.

Jim is taking a loan to clear our loan, so in 2/3 years he could end up doing exactly the same, get another loan on the club to finance his loan.
 
I just want to say one thing to the people who prefer Qatar over Ratcliffe, "A known devil is better than an unknown angel".
 
red thru&thru said:
We're compared to them now, no? How much we've paid out in debts, and how much City have invested, etc.

But we all know historically there is no comparison. They can hardly sell out their stadium, we constantly do. We were winning before the new owners, whereas they weren't.

Depends what comparisons you want to draw.
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Yeah we're compared favourably in the way you describe. In ten years time, we'll mostly be compared because we're both owned by states.
 
troylocker said:
The moral standards of the majority of our internet fanbase is mindblowingly low. Yes, you need to hear it.
Not just the moral bit. The longterm effects of being owned by and an absolute monarchy, with a terrible human rights record, goes far beyond getting financially doped out of our depts.
It's like pissing yourselves to get warm if freezing a bit.
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Needed saying.

Also think it's quite synonymous of the entire world. People just don't care about anything anymore only what can make their lives better.

Imagine being reminded of everything bad in Qatar every time we win anything. Nah not for me. It's simply not worth it.
 
Voted for ineos at the moment but I'd like to see more about the financing aspect. If they are draining us to fund the loans then no but if they service it themselves then yes
 
Dan_F said:
And yet we’re three points off them coming off our worst season for years, with fully incompetent owners. PSG haven’t managed to win a champions League with Qatari money either. There’s no guarantees.
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What about Nice? Ask the fans of Nice and PSG if they would swap owners.

Also, City being 3 points ahead is a bit selective, isn't it? Since SAF lest they are 147 points ahead. Since the takeover, they are 109 points ahead.
 
troylocker said:
The moral standards of the majority of our internet fanbase is mindblowingly low. Yes, you need to hear it.
Not just the moral bit. The longterm effects of being owned by and an absolute monarchy, with a terrible human rights record, goes far beyond getting financially doped out of our depts.
It's like pissing yourselves to get warm if freezing a bit.
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Love these votes. “Everyone’s a nob who doesn’t agree with me”.
 
Revan said:
What about Nice? Ask the fans of Nice and PSG if they would swap owners.

Also, City being 3 points ahead is a bit selective, isn't it? Since SAF lest they are 147 points ahead. Since the takeover, they are 109 points ahead.
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That remains to be seen. Those points could yet be removed from them.
 
hobbers said:
Do you want lots of money put into the club for the purpose of sportswashing or do you want a bit of money put into the club by more Glazers who ultimately only care about ROI... Not that Jim is necessarily like them but the people financing it all are.

Basically what it comes down to. The former is the lesser of two evils for me. My opinion might change if Ineos put forward detailed long term investment plans.
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This is pretty much as I see it.
 
We need to be free from the shackles Glazers have put us under with their enormous debt. Our stadium, academy and training ground are all in need of big investment, something which INEOS won't fund from their own pocket and will ultimately end up saddling us with more debt.

Qatar is the obvious choice here.
 
arnie_ni said:
Voted for ineos at the moment but I'd like to see more about the financing aspect. If they are draining us to fund the loans then no but if they service it themselves then yes
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There is no way the football club could survive the impact of loans as high as this, the club would be owned by Ineos whose profits are circa 2.5 billion a year thats an astronomical amount of a money per annum to make and dwarves any profit the football club could hope to make over multiple years, not all debt is bad debt.
 
Tarrou said:
Yeah we're compared favourably in the way you describe. In ten years time, we'll mostly be compared because we're both owned by states.
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The people who are the most important are the fans of our club. We all know what our club is. We've not really ever been liked by the the authorities, or the media. But we all know we've been around, and successful, irrespective of our owners.

We will be the first actual powerhouse of a club to be bought by the ME/sugar daddy. A club with an already established history and tradition. Let's see how things play out.
 
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I know we all hate for us to be state owned but honestly I'm sick of us being the only team who thinks so many times before we sign a player in spite of all the money the club brings in. I want the Qataris to take over because I want to watch exciting football and the best footballers to represent Manchester United.
 
OleTheGreat said:
I know we all hate for us to be state owned but honestly I'm sick of us being the only team who thinks so many times before we sign a player in spite of all the money the club brings in. I want the Qataris to take over because I want to watch exciting football and the best footballers to represent Manchester United.
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Fair shout.
 
romufc said:
Yep, so our success in the last 5 years is, we are 3 points off City in second.

Who said there are guarantees? On the pitch?

The guarantees I do have is, with the Glazers the club will rot to a point where no one will be interested in it.

Jim is taking a loan to clear our loan, so in 2/3 years he could end up doing exactly the same, get another loan on the club to finance his loan.
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The point is that we’re more than capable of competing without being state funded. The Glazers could have done this if they had any idea how to run a football club. You also do not understand the specifics of the Ineos bid and how it’s being funded. None of us do yet.


Revan said:
What about Nice? Ask the fans of Nice and PSG if they would swap owners.

Also, City being 3 points ahead is a bit selective, isn't it? Since SAF lest they are 147 points ahead. Since the takeover, they are 109 points ahead.
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Irrelevant. Nice don’t have the same self sufficiency that United do. United don’t need piles of cash to compete, they need to be well run.

The point about City is that we are competing with them already. I’m not talking about the last 10 years, that’s clearly through the mismanagement of the club by the Glazers, not because we couldn’t financially compete with City.
 
Qatar is definitely the best option, its pretty much the only way Utd will ever be debt free and have a new stadium without it impacting future financing.
People are overreacting as always.
 
So fellas, what are you gonna drink tonight? We have Oil Cola and Glazers Light.

I think more information is needed, because right now we are voting in esentially a couple of vague announcements in social media plus our own prejudice.

troylocker said:
The moral standards of the majority of our internet fanbase is mindblowingly low. Yes, you need to hear it.
Not just the moral bit. The longterm effects of being owned by and an absolute monarchy, with a terrible human rights record, goes far beyond getting financially doped out of our depts.
It's like pissing yourselves to get warm if freezing a bit.
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Isn't that supposed to be good when you're freezing?
 
Krakenzero said:
I think more information is needed, because right now we are voting in esentially a couple of announcements in social media plus our own prejudice.
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I suppose you can go off their official statements, too. I did prefer what Jassim had to say compared to SJR.
 
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Mickeza said:
Public vote so went with Ineos…
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I've updated it to private, didn't set up the poll myself, but after reading your post i think it may well sway some people.

Kind of like all those people who silently vote Tory.
 
Dan_F said:
The point is that we’re more than capable of competing without being state funded. The Glazers could have done this if they had any idea how to run a football club. You also do not understand the specifics of the Ineos bid and how it’s being funded. None of us do yet.
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This is very very hypocritical of you btw. How can you say to me, I do not understand the specifics of the Ineos bid?

When you cant tell me the specifics of Al Thani's bid? Just because he is a Qatari national, you are assuming its a state funded deal?

What I do know is Nice, who are owned by Ratcliffe are not well run, that is evidence to me.

What people don't also understand is, I know United can compete without very rich owners but without that money, United cannot build a stadium and training complex without taking loans.
 
OleTheGreat said:
I know we all hate for us to be state owned but honestly I'm sick of us being the only team who thinks so many times before we sign a player in spite of all the money the club brings in. I want the Qataris to take over because I want to watch exciting football and the best footballers to represent Manchester United.
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Do you not think we've started to do that now though? Take a step back and look at things as if you were just a neutral fan, United even with crumby Glazer ownership which took money out of the club, spend average minimum £100m a year and pay market leading wages, the issue hasn't been not being able to get players we want it's been an amateur club structure which, in turn, lead to poor managerial appointments and generally expensive flops for signings. Since Woodward has gone, dare I say it it's looking relatively positive for us.
 
Even if I look at it in purely football terms - wouldn't it be far more satisfying to getting to the top properly without financial doping? I'd be far more proud of our success. Turning on the infinite money cheat is like save scumming in football manager... Sure you took a league 2 side to the CL within 4 years, but how many times did you reload the game to do so? It just doesn't feel the same.

United is a club that quite simply - doesn't need ME owners. We need our debt cleared. We need investment into the infrastructure (which doesn't need to happen asap, it can happen over time). Aside from that? Let the clubs money stay within the club. We can run as a self sustaining club.
 
Matthew84! said:
Qatar is definitely the best option, its pretty much the only way Utd will ever be debt free and have a new stadium without it impacting future financing.
People are overreacting as always.
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It's the only sure way to guarantee being at the top of world football for an extended period, but that's not to say there aren't still alternative ways of achieving this.

Thing is, we aren't in any position to judge the bids as we don't have full access to the details, and those who do are hardly going to be making a decision based on morals.

It would be cool to know how each bid prepares to engage with fans/open communications. I'd probably swing towards SJR right now, but very much aware that he will almost certainly be representing a palatable face for something far more in line with what we've experienced under the Glazers.

Both of the known bids represent far better alternatives to the current ownership, however. If the Glazers do attempt to keep hold of the club via a partial sell, there should rightfully be up-roar. I fear the current on-pitch promise will convince a couple to stick around.
 
It is a fecking abomination that this is even a contest. Fecking Qatar?! How utterly shameful
 
Zlatattack said:
I've updated it to private, didn't set up the poll myself, but after reading your post i think it may well sway some people.

Kind of like all those people who silently vote Tory.
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Cowards.
 
red thru&thru said:
We will be the first actual powerhouse of a club to be bough by the ME/sugar daddy. A club with an already established history and tradition. Let's see how things play out.
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But what does that history and tradition principally stem from?
 
58:42 at the moment - closer than I thought.

I voted Ineos, but we know far too little about these bids to make an informed decision at the moment. Very unlikely that they are the only two bids, either, so this is a false dichotomy at this stage.
 
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