When you get all your news from the same place and they keep on pumping the same garbage out, well it's to be expected.
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When you get all your news from the same place and they keep on pumping the same garbage out, well it's to be expected.
I can't decide between believing the Russian population is brain washed beyond hope and thinking that the public opinion will eventually reach a tipping point once the sanctions and war efforts start to hurt them personally. Sometimes it seems there's a silent majority who is against the war and sometimes you think that's actually a minority.
I also wonder how to deal with that in a future in which Russia has (hopefully) lost the war. Here in Germany, I think the occupation and associated awareness and information work did much to counter the extreme propaganda and brainwashing of the nazi time but that will obviously not happen with a nuclear power. So there will always be propagandist and right wing extremist building on that basis.
There's really no way to say at the moment, with no independent sociological institutions left in the country and the war-time censorship with criminal consequences for saying stuff out of line being introduced. But from the subjective point of view it feels less and less possible that this constriction is going to fall down any time soon. My most realistic way of communicating with general public outside my own little bubble is a sports news website and at there are certainly way more aggressively pro-War, anti-Ukrainian comments there than there were, say, a year ago.
And yeah, I have no idea how we're going to deal with all that shit when the war (and, hopefully, the regime) is over.
What next ? A 9/11 tweet questioning how the towers could've possibly fallen due to planes crashing into them ? I wonder if Lavrov approved this.
"Hey it's kind of a tense geopolitical situation, do you think we as the official government voice in a foreign country should stay a bit under the radar?"
"Naaaah"
Fantastic 2 part documentary about the first year of the war by Ukrainian journalist Dmytro Komarov including interviews with Zelensky and many of the top generals.
Part 1 focuses the defensive operations around Kyiv in the first months of the war.
Part 2 shows the liberation of Kharkiv and Kherson among many other things.
It's in Ukrainian but English subtitles are available.
Part 1 focuses the defensive operations around Kyiv in the first months of the war.
Part 2 shows the liberation of Kharkiv and Kherson among many other things.
It's in Ukrainian but English subtitles are available.
MT-LBs developed in the 50's retrofitted with 25mm naval turrets developed in the 40's.
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This has to be a joke.
Thank God that the US Department of the Navy never considered putting a 5"/54 caliber Mark 45 gun on top of an APC for the Marines.
A good example of how powerful domestic propaganda can be. Here, what is ostensibly a facsist totalitarian state, have convinced an easily led demographic (aka older people) that fascists are coming for them. Successful gaslighting of the highest order.
If true, that’s hilarious.
Some post apocalyptic looking monstrosity
It is from idiots. If they can’t work out that they have a dictator brainwashing them with propaganda though, despite others around them managing it, that’s on them. People also tend to believe what they want to believe, as shown with the media over here in recent years eg brexit.
It’s not just older people in Russia believing this either.
And a further example would be Fox News in the US, the reality is some folks don't want to hear the truth
I find that line of thinking problematic. You could have become the same if you grew up in that environment.
I mean, there's really only two ways about it. Either you think it is because of the propaganda they've been exposed to since probably decades or you think it is genetics - the latter I'd say is a racist concept.
We've just been lucky to be born in a different part of the world.
How do I get english subs to work? Using my phone.
I tend to agree, though. Its too easy to write people off as "idiots", but when people like Trump get elected to in the US, national decisions like Brexit go through... It doesn't matter where we're born. Quite simply, propaganda works, the global money spent on marketing and advertisements is enough proof of that. We're all products of our environments and the information we absorb.
There should be a CC button up in the right corner, just click on it to turn on subtitles.
Yes, in general I agree. Though I'd say there are a few things that make propaganda more efficient, primarily a lack of education and inequality of wealth.
It's also why I'm very critical of all kinds of tribalism, even in seemingly harmless contexts such as football. If you see how many users in here are incapable of staying at least somewhat neutral when it comes to topics surrounding their favourite football clubs, I think that's truly worrying.
It’s not either ‘let them off because they grew up with it or racist’. Come on. That looks like a city. Presumably Moscow. They have access to the internet. As already mentioned, it’s not just old folks set in their ways. There’s many of all ages that believe it.
I know a few Russians who I’ve met on my travels and they believe it too. They’re early 30s. The shite they post on Instagram is laughable. They’re well travelled too, so it’s not as if they only know Russia. They believe what they want to believe, just like Brexiters and Trump supporters who also chose to fall for the propaganda despite others around them knowing exactly what’s going on. At that point it’s idiocy at best.
There’s intercepted calls from soldiers back home, talking how happy they are to be killing Ukrainians, including civilians. They supposedly think the entire county are nazis. Zero sympathy for what happens to them. All the sympathy for those that don’t believe in the made up cause and are forced to be there though.
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Seems like that raid on a Russian village earlier was actually done by fascists this time. Russian propaganda made it out to be a lot more than it was, but it does appear that it might genuinely have been a group of Russian Neo-nazis who are fighting on behalf of Ukraine (but probably not on orders from Ukraine in this case).
At least that's what the Norwegian newspaper Aftenposten is reporting.
At least that's what the Norwegian newspaper Aftenposten is reporting.
That looks like something Sid would have made in Toy Story
Yeah!
Whoever in military engineering ever thought such design would make practical sense needs to give his own head a wobble, but I also question the people who gave their seal of approval for those.
I'm not saying they shouldn't be held responsible. But they're a product of their environment, everybody is. Do you think you'd be different if you grew up under the same circumstances? And if so, why do you believe that?
But it is more of a tragedy that they think the way they do. Same goes for Brexiteers, Trumpists, conspiracy theorists, etc.
I'm not saying they shouldn't be held responsible. But they're a product of their environment, everybody is. Do you think you'd be different if you grew up under the same circumstances? And if so, why do you believe that?
But it is more of a tragedy that they think the way they do. Same goes for Brexiteers, Trumpists, conspiracy theorists, etc.
Yeah I do think I’d be different if I was born in a city there and was well travelled. I think I’d be one of the many there that understand and acknowledge what’s going on. Much like brexit it comes down to common sense, not falling for everything the gov says, and holding more liberal views, although obviously it’s more extreme. If people in NK can grasp what’s happening though I’d say anyone can.
It would no doubt be more difficult if you were rural and had limited internet access/were in an echo chamber.
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I mean, obviously we all have certain character traits we#re born with and some are more rebellious/independent thinking/etc. and maybe those are the ones that are most likely to not be brainwashed. But I think over a population as big as Russia's or even Moscow's that evens out. So when there is a particularly high percentage of people who believe in the lies they are fed regardless of how illogical they are, it has to be something societal and if it is something societal then I find it hard to judge them.
So maybe you wouldn't be like them but there are definitely many people in our society who wouldn't. Don't get me wrong, that doesn't absolve them of the blame because in the end, we're responsible for our actions but I think it is important to understand how these things came to be and be humble/grateful that we've been born into a society that rewards and encourages independent thinking.
Sometimes i do the exercise that im in a big brother society and the ones that live in a dystopical reality and the ones that we are being fed lies are us. Seeing this interviews in russia of people in the streets is what it is in our opinion, but they must think the same of us if they see any of the opinions
Finally some foresight. I predict jets will be on the table by the end of the year.
If it’s true that Ukraine have a casualty ratio of 1:8 in Bahkmut, I can see why they’re staying there as long as possible. It’s an incredibly effective way of weakening Russia’s ability to advance elsewhere.
Christ.