Club Sale | It’s done!

[red thru&thru]

FFP has changed from this year to FFP sustainability rules where 90% of the clubs turnover can be spent this year, if our turnover is £540m this year and wages are reduced due to Europa League to £325m New owner adds more than £100m because we don’t even have a working Cashflow right now, hence the loan deals in January. For the record 90% of £550m is £495m which could be spent on Wages, Agent fees, Administrative costs, and amortised transfer fees. So when you say selling players, does not give you another £200m it doesn’t quite work like that, the new rules are designed to get all clubs running at 70% wage, transfer, Admin and agent fees combined to gross turnover in 3 years time. This year we could sell players like Dean Henderson (20m) Antony Elanga(15M), S Mctominay (25m) all on 4 year contracts and receive £15m back on our transfer kitty yearly which could then be multiplied by 4 if we bought any new players this summer, effectively adding £60m to a transfer budget. These players cost the club nothing so there is no cost amortised to be subtracted from the amortised sale price. To be clear your right about the debt and the £60m in loses for a new owner but these costs and the interest payments would have been part of administrative running costs so eg if the Glaziers carried on and the wages were £325m, interest £20-30m on existing debt, the actual loss not only affects FFP but the cash in the bank and our ability to pay more than the sustainability rule.

Our transfer budget would be 325+25+120m loss so we would have £25m multiplied by 5 if we spent £125m on one player an and agent fees so a budget of probably £115m plus 10% of that as agent fees. So just like Todd Boehly with Chelsea who spent nearly £600m by putting players on 7 year contracts and amortising costs by 7 years, New owners if they cleared the debt, reduced interest payments and put working capital in the bank, they could effectively spend £400-500m combined over two transfer Windows

Nice breakdown. Thanks for that.

I'm also going to assume, incorrectly maybe, that in the future, clubs will bring down their asking price, knowing that clubs can only spend 70% of their revenue, including the agent fees, etc.

So, even though the amount a club can spend on transfers is reduced, players asking price will also reduce. In theory, meaning we can still buy 4 to 5 players a season and not have to spend £250+ a year, like you have to now.

 

[DevilsOwn]

Are there any former United players who would make a big difference working on the football side? I can ONLY think of Van Der Sar, or maybe Jordi Cruyff, really. Anyone else you lot would want? Incey, Schmeichel, The Nevilles, Bruce? I wonder why the Qatari's are briefing this about getting ex-players involved.

- I reckon this is done with the story in the Telegraph today. 'Very confident' + their senior writers all adding names. I think there must have been big progress yesterday.

The briefing about ex-players should be to get more fans on board. The more positive media they can generate the better for them.

Becks could be one ex-player who could contribute positively to the bid/post bid running of the club. (as they look to commercialize the fan-base in US etc)

 

[Suv666]

Big day today

 

[Telsim]

I don't like these rumours about Glazers and Ratcliffe. Only Qatar can save this club. It must be them. Rival clubs are practically begging it's Ratcliffe, because even they recognize the club will continue to go nowhere with him in charge, and they can breathe a collective sigh of relief.

 

[red thru&thru]

Happy Bid Deadline Day everybody!

Hahaha, we wish. Unfortunately, there could still be another round. Let's hope (for me and most on the Cafe) that Jassim wins the bid and he goes into the "exclusivity" period.

 

[Red00012]

A 70 year old buying the club should be a no no
Bring on the Qataris

 

[Sparky Rhiwabon]

Are there any former United players who would make a big difference working on the football side? I can ONLY think of Van Der Sar, or maybe Jordi Cruyff, really. Anyone else you lot would want? Incey, Schmeichel, The Nevilles, Bruce? I wonder why the Qatari's are briefing this about getting ex-players involved.

- I reckon this is done with the story in the Telegraph today. 'Very confident' + their senior writers all adding names. I think there must have been big progress yesterday.

Beckham most likely

 

[sglowrider]

Hahaha, we wish. Unfortunately, there could still be another round. Let's hope (for me and most on the Cafe) that Jassim wins the bid and he goes into the "exclusivity" period.

The bids from today need to be analysed too. That could be a week before any bidder is recommended for exclusivity round

 

[JagUTD]

Big Jim today

 

[wolvored]

No, fergie was a genius, and he got the last out of a squad at its end. Evra, vidic, rio, Carrick, Rooney, van perspective, giggs, Scholes all needed replaced. Fergie managed to get the absolute best out of players like Rafael, cleverly, Anderson, but none of those players have went on to have sparkling careers elsewhere. We needed a total overhaul, we have spent badly, but city have made mistakes too, they just had a strong team already in place meaning the mistakes were less costly, meaning they could spend 100s of millions on full backs knowing they had kompany, fernandinho, toure, Silva and aguero as brilliant players to build around. If they'd had to plug those 5 holes at the same time like we did, they'd have either spent a lot more, or done a lot worse

Fergie was a genius but..
Fergie also spent when he first came in, in 1986. A lot of fans look at the Fergie era post Premier, but he started well before that. Took 7 seasons to win his first league title. It was only the Glazer era when the money slowed for him and he came out with no value in the market bullshit.

 

[Sir Erik ten Hag]

Big day today

 

[buchansleftleg]

Going once!.....

 

[red thru&thru]

The bids from today need to be analysed too. That could be a week before any bidder is recommended for exclusivity round

Yeah. Let's just hope it doesn't take longer than it needs to. Hoping Raine wants to get onto the WWE deal asap and will push the process quicker.

And also, any new owners will want to plan properly for the summer.

 

[Drizzle]

I've avoided these threads for a while, but as it's bid deadline day I'm here for it.

Rival clubs are practically begging it's Ratcliffe, because even they recognize the club will continue to go nowhere with him in charge

Then I read things like this and I remember why I swerved them. The absolute certainty that some people have based on hardly any information.

Qatar may be the best for the club, I get that. Although I have misgivings. But how can people write off Ratcliffe as Glazers mk 2? It's a complete misreading of the situation.

And also, I'm begging people to stop aligning themselves with bidders, about whom we know hardly anything. Let's wait to see what transpires shall we. We're stuck with who we get anyway, and it makes no difference to me and my identity as a United fan.

 

[Skills]

That he hasn't repeatedly said he will clear the debt is fishy and a major error as part of a charm offensive.

I just want the debt cleared and United to become self-sufficient, but I don't think Qatar will stop now until they have the club.

He won't clear the debt unless he takes the club private. Why would you clear the debt on behalf of the other 31%?

 

[Skills]

I wonder if we could get Florentino Perez to leave Madrid to run the club on behalf of Qatar? Bring that entire structure here. Would be beautiful

 

[Sir Erik ten Hag]

Then I read things like this and I remember why I swerved them. The absolute certainty that some people have based on hardly any information.

To be honest, sometimes rival fans know things and we could get some insights after analyzing their reactions.
They cheered on Moyes "the chosen one", whom we did well to get rid.
They cheered on "Ole at the wheel", and we all know how Ole turned out.
Now they are angry at the prospect of the Qataris buying us.
Do we see some patterns here?

 

[Shakesy]

I feel pretty confident that today is a day

 

[Salford_Red83]

Big day today

 

[BarstoolProphet]

How do US teams that I have no idea who they are what sports they play in. Get sold for so much?

There are several factors but overall they are extremely profitable in general in an extremely big (ie. tons of cash in the pot) market and not comparable at all with sports teams as you know them (that very well could change in the future). Add to that the significant rise of billionaires in America and the battle for being part of the exclusive billionaires club that own sports franchises and you got a recipe for a meteoric rise in asset value.

 

[Shakesy]

To be honest, sometimes rival fans know things and we could get some insights after analyzing their reactions.
They cheered on Moyes "the chosen one", whom we did well to get rid.
They cheered on "Ole at the wheel", and we all know how Ole turned out.
Now they are angry at the prospect of the Qataris buying us.
Do we see some patterns here?

IF Qatar buys us we'd better strap ourselves in. At first, rival fans would hate us, and then they'd simply write us off.

We'd become irrelevant, aka City.

 

[whitbyviking]

No, fergie was a genius, and he got the last out of a squad at its end. Evra, vidic, rio, Carrick, Rooney, van perspective, giggs, Scholes all needed replaced. Fergie managed to get the absolute best out of players like Rafael, cleverly, Anderson, but none of those players have went on to have sparkling careers elsewhere. We needed a total overhaul, we have spent badly, but city have made mistakes too, they just had a strong team already in place meaning the mistakes were less costly, meaning they could spend 100s of millions on full backs knowing they had kompany, fernandinho, toure, Silva and aguero as brilliant players to build around. If they'd had to plug those 5 holes at the same time like we did, they'd have either spent a lot more, or done a lot worse

"Van Perspective"

Best thing about this thread

 

[whitbyviking]

Are there any former United players who would make a big difference working on the football side? I can ONLY think of Van Der Sar, or maybe Jordi Cruyff, really. Anyone else you lot would want? Incey, Schmeichel, The Nevilles, Bruce? I wonder why the Qatari's are briefing this about getting ex-players involved.

- I reckon this is done with the story in the Telegraph today. 'Very confident' + their senior writers all adding names. I think there must have been big progress yesterday.

The ex-players thing is almost dog whistle stuff, as you say there aren't many ex-players you'd want involved in the club based on their post playing achievements to date.

 

[dove]

Are things happening yet?

 

[enghuei]

The ex-players thing is almost dog whistle stuff, as you say there aren't many ex-players you'd want involved in the club based on their post playing achievements to date.

It seems like they are trying to emulate Bayern Munich which is almost exclusively run by ex players and yet very successful on and off the pitch.

 

[moodyred]

Are we gonna reach 1000 pages?

I think we hit 1000 pages with de Jong thread. Surely selling the club is bigger than buying a player who doesn't want to play for us?

 

[Water Melon]

IF Qatar buys us we'd better strap ourselves in. At first, rival fans would hate us, and then they'd simply write us off.

We'd become irrelevant, aka City.

Irrelevant for who? First and foremost, there would be no need for us to cook figures. Qatar will remove the debt, invest in the club's infrastructure, while United will be able to use the money that they earn themselves. I very much doubt we will go galactico route as the gaffer does not seem to like big ego average output players. And, finally, taking into account where City are, it will take us quite some time to catch them up and overtake let alone become so strong that other teams in the Prem become mere paths for the walk in the park.

 

[RyRy11]

Qatar's first real test.

 

[BuzzKillington]

Fergie was a genius but..
Fergie also spent when he first came in, in 1986. A lot of fans look at the Fergie era post Premier, but he started well before that. Took 7 seasons to win his first league title. It was only the Glazer era when the money slowed for him and he came out with no value in the market bullshit.

Totally irrelevant but amusing side point, City even managed to outspend us then. The shoe was on the other foot insofar as they wasted their money on shite, Keith Curle was the leagues most expensive defender at one point I seem to recall. They had a side made out of expensive acquired shite. Hopefully we don’t carry on trying to maintain that mirror image given what happened to them over the next 25 years.

 

[Dan_F]

And judging by your tagline you're a fan of the team in question?

Like most things in life, the answer is in the middle. NFL isn't "big" in the UK. As matter of fact basketball is comfortably bigger I'd imagine, as it is across Europe too. But there is a following in the UK, and if you go to any decent sports bar on a Sunday night you'll probably see a few watching NFL. Absolutely no chance 1 in 5 is a "fan" though. More likely 1 in 5 can name a few teams and players.

NFL is still by and large an American thing and not as big as you think it is (in terms of popularity not numbers) which is why he wonders how the teams get sold for so much.

However being big in America is a sizeable chunk of the Western world and a good few parts of Asia so it makes sense they go for so much.

Off topic, but the NFL will outperform the NBA in the UK in almost every metric you can find in the UK (I’m not counting participation) and the gap will keep growing. Of course Europe is completely different.

 

[Drizzle]

To be honest, sometimes rival fans know things and we could get some insights after analyzing their reactions.
They cheered on Moyes "the chosen one", whom we did well to get rid.
They cheered on "Ole at the wheel", and we all know how Ole turned out.
Now they are angry at the prospect of the Qataris buying us.
Do we see some patterns here?

They sneered when we bought Casemiro.

They worried when we got serial-winning Mourinho. Etc.

There's no pattern.

 

[Shakesy]

Irrelevant for who? First and foremost, there would be no need for us to cook figures. Qatar will remove the debt, invest in the club's infrastructure, while United will be able to use the money that they earn themselves. I very much doubt we will go galactico route as the gaffer does not seem to like big ego average output players. And, finally, taking into account where City are, it will take us quite some time to catch them up and overtake let alone become so strong that other teams in the Prem become mere paths for the walk in the park.

See, what's sad is we'd become unstoppable. And while we'd know it's because we're a strong club not crippled by debt, others would just attribute our success to oil. Irregardless of our history.

You say it would take a while for us to catch City. I'm not so sure. With unlimited funds we'd be pushing for the top in 2 seasons. We're already almost there...

 

[Oranges038]

Are things happening yet?

 

[Tincanalley]

I don't like these rumours about Glazers and Ratcliffe. Only Qatar can save this club. It must be them. Rival clubs are practically begging it's Ratcliffe, because even they recognize the club will continue to go nowhere with him in charge, and they can breathe a collective sigh of relief.

Only shills can say stuff like this.

 

[JagUTD]

To be honest, sometimes rival fans know things and we could get some insights after analyzing their reactions.
They cheered on Moyes "the chosen one", whom we did well to get rid.
They cheered on "Ole at the wheel", and we all know how Ole turned out.
Now they are angry at the prospect of the Qataris buying us.
Do we see some patterns here?

Rival fans like most football fans rarely know things.

 

[sglowrider]

And also, any new owners will want to plan properly for the summer.

But you know it's beneficial to drag it out for the cnuts. Mo money

 

[red thru&thru]

But you know it's beneficial to drag it out for the cnuts. Mo money

It won't be for Raine, or the people purchasing the club. It's in no one's interests to drag things out any longer than needs be.

 

[Member 125398]

I wonder if we could get Florentino Perez to leave Madrid to run the club on behalf of Qatar? Bring that entire structure here. Would be beautiful

I'd get the Barca lot in as they have a reputation for doing whatever it takes to be at the top, where United should be at all costs. I, for one, am sick and tired of going in to matches contemplating the possibility we may not win.

 

[sglowrider]

I think we hit 1000 pages with de Jong thread. Surely selling the club is bigger than buying a player who doesn't want to play for us?

They were mainly trolls who participated in that thread

 

[Brophs]

To be honest, sometimes rival fans know things and we could get some insights after analyzing their reactions.
They cheered on Moyes "the chosen one", whom we did well to get rid.
They cheered on "Ole at the wheel", and we all know how Ole turned out.
Now they are angry at the prospect of the Qataris buying us.
Do we see some patterns here?

Fair play. You’ve managed to identify neither correlation nor causation there.