In the Biden thread, centrists are saying debates are basically pointless and it doesn't matter what the candidate says. Here centrists are arguing that Corbyn lost because he did terribly in a debate. Which way is it western man?
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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If it's me you're referring to you've missed the point, I'm not saying Corbyn did terribly in debate I'm saying he was thoroughly dishonest about his own views. Which did make him do terribly in debate to be fair, but that was a consequence not the cause. Maybe I was too nuanced.
Is he going to appeal?
Doubt he will care about the costs as he will probably set up an only fans to milk his sheep into paying for it...
Kinda fitting he lost on Holocaust Memorial Day
How's that?
Because one can't overstate how unacceptable antisemitism is... or overstate how unacceptable what he let happen to labour was
you are a deeply sad person
Tell me, what's the acceptability level of accusing people of anti-semitism on spurious grounds for political reasons?
Interviewed by Jacobin, rambled and went on tangents, in one of them he described very precisely what the Indian farm protests are about (price floors for essential crops). This after praising the Atlee govt for the NHS and then talking about its actions in the rest of the Empire.
It's ...funny that the most (to be provacative: only) internationalist labour leader was discredited for being racist.
It's ...funny that the most (to be provacative: only) internationalist labour leader was discredited for being racist.
Attlee, or Corbyn, do you mean?
Corbyn.
Attlee: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayan_Emergency
Not sure if Attlee has ever been discredited for racism, real or alleged.
Attlee tried to divert the Empire Windrush to East Africa to avoid black Britons moving to the UK and getting jobs here. So there is that.
Thoroughly decent human being. That's why he hasn't succeeded as much as he should have.
Absolutely.
Welp.
It is maddening seeing it played out in real life, we're living in a simulation or a satirical sitcom, because this can't be real life.
Brainwashed to dismiss anything Corbyn said.
Is he an MP now?
Sack Starmer. Bring back Corbyn.
The point around his manifesto not being radical is one that resonates strongly with me. I find myself in a position where my personal politics, it appears, is now considered extreme against the backdrop of British politics. Public ownership of essential services and redistribution of wealth were not radical concepts in my youth and I still don't see them as being so. However, it appears there's a general consensus, as witnessed in various "Libcafe" threads, that the Caf is very left wing too.
I feel alienated by a political system that has options of very right, right or a centrist position that has Overton Windowed significantly to the right across my lifetime. I cannot see how, in this environment, a political party that can be elected to Westminster and form a Government can ever be one I can vote for.
I don't know Starmer. I have no strong feelings about him personally. However, his political stance (such as it is) so far and the direction he seems to be taking Labour in order to follow a strategy which is believed will win votes in England is of no interest to me. A party that can attract Tory voters is unlikely to be a party I want to vote for. I want a well led party guided by principle and what they believe in, not pandering to Daily Mail and UKIP warped optics. I don't want the Democrats or the Republicans but with colours reversed. There need to be choices across the political spectrum and a voting system that can reflect that.
It is, as an aside, for these reasons that Labour lost Scotland decades ago where the politics, dominated as they are by the population density in the Central belt, are centre left. Or extreme left as it seems such views are now seen.
What is an extreme left these days? There is no communism anymore. I want to lead a decent life. I don't care if I can't riot or demonstrate. Not that it matters to the elites. Millions marched in London against the Iraq war and the government couldn't care a feck.
Look at the Diego Garcia case. The courts ruled against the government, the UN general assembly voted against the government. They didn't give a feck. The economy is fecked. Health Service is fecked. Everything is fecked but they said it's the best in the world.
Look at the Diego Garcia case. The courts ruled against the government, the UN general assembly voted against the government. They didn't give a feck. The economy is fecked. Health Service is fecked. Everything is fecked but they said it's the best in the world.
It's a wonder anyone on the left of the party, at least those who supported Corbyn, are still voting Labour after the way this all panned out. I'm sure the same old characters will claim that getting rid of the left is a positive, but how are they ever going to win an election this way?
Give it to giggs till conference
He really is a top man.
He is not dirty enough to be a PM?
Is that just an assertion from a man I don't know in Twitter or is it true? How can a political party ban their members from watching a film that isn't illegal? Or do they mean from watching it together or something?
He explains that they may be able to find out who you are and expel you.
I don't think they can literally ban people from watching it in their own homes. But if they were to share it or like it or give any indication they've watched it or attention to it on their social media then I imagine that's where the issues come in.
Diane Abbot isn't usually one to shy away from pro corbyn stuff. Wonder if she'll make reference to it on her social media.
Time for a new party
I assume he'll stand as an independent...and may well win. Is it 40 years he's held that seat for?
I think he'd have a very good chance of winning. I'd be surprised to see him lose, it'll take a great labour candidate.