Yeah, that’s also my point. Original idea was to aim for the “good old Europe”, meaning mostly nationalistic conservatives, with the anti-liberal anti-immigration pro-religious system, but it kinda blew up after the beginning of the invasion where the Europe (or, rather, the “West”) ended up being Russia’s main antagonist.
Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion
- Thread starter Wednesday at Stoke
- Start date
-
In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
https://www.nzz.ch/schweiz/panzerwa...in-der-ukraine-beim-rechten-sektor-ld.1731862
Kind of a crazy story and illustrates quite well how complicated some things can be and how rules can be circumvented. As it's in German I give a very short summary:
There are sightings of Eagle armoured reconnaissance vehicles in Ukraine - Switzerland produced them, but never allowed export of these to Ukraine. How did they end up there?
It seems likely that these vehicles (possibly only one, only that single unit is confirmed) was originally exported to Denmark and after the Danish army got rid of it in 2013 they sold 27 of them to FWW in Neubrandenburg/Germany. FWW is a company focused on refurbishing military hardware. It roots back to being a part of the East German army, it was a repair center for (Soviet-made) tanks etc. FWW at the time was owned by an ex-Bundeswehr officer who owns quite a bunch of companies.
Later on he sold FWW to General Dynamics European Land Systems, but according to GDELS the Eagle vehicles weren't part of the deal, so here the official track got lost on them. It's possible that he kept them privately or by using another company and then sold it without permission of either Switzerland or Germany to Ukraine fighters.
So now Ukraine has armoured vehicles made in Switzerland because a shady German businessman (ex-soldier active in the days of the Cold War and probably quite motivated to finally deal some damage to the Russians) doesn't care about the law.
Kind of a crazy story and illustrates quite well how complicated some things can be and how rules can be circumvented. As it's in German I give a very short summary:
There are sightings of Eagle armoured reconnaissance vehicles in Ukraine - Switzerland produced them, but never allowed export of these to Ukraine. How did they end up there?
It seems likely that these vehicles (possibly only one, only that single unit is confirmed) was originally exported to Denmark and after the Danish army got rid of it in 2013 they sold 27 of them to FWW in Neubrandenburg/Germany. FWW is a company focused on refurbishing military hardware. It roots back to being a part of the East German army, it was a repair center for (Soviet-made) tanks etc. FWW at the time was owned by an ex-Bundeswehr officer who owns quite a bunch of companies.
Later on he sold FWW to General Dynamics European Land Systems, but according to GDELS the Eagle vehicles weren't part of the deal, so here the official track got lost on them. It's possible that he kept them privately or by using another company and then sold it without permission of either Switzerland or Germany to Ukraine fighters.
So now Ukraine has armoured vehicles made in Switzerland because a shady German businessman (ex-soldier active in the days of the Cold War and probably quite motivated to finally deal some damage to the Russians) doesn't care about the law.
What are the chances this shady German businessman gets sued or something?
Not to be too conspiracy minded, but this does seem like something right up CIA's alley. Even potentially letting Switzerland know what they're doing but keeping it all deniable.
Politico really dug itself a hole there, with this terrible obvious smear campaign article.
Check all the replies, how our people debunked it in matter of seconds
Shows that we have been doing things right. Pushing the right buttons and someone is pissed off enough to run this info operation stated before. I fecking love it!
It was a terrible job enough that everyone threw them under the bus.
The man is fecking sick, but so are those many still willing to follow into the bullshit.
Over 7,000 US service members were killed in post-9/11 wars and over 30,000 more died by suicide. Go figure what the numbers of KIA and suicides will look like in comparison in Russia.
Last edited:
Very little I think. Switzerland of course is investigating this now, as the delivery clearly was in breach of existing contracts which require Switzerland to approve further exports from Germany for another country. In principle it would also be in breach of German law as Germany needs to approve such exports as well (but likely would have without problems), but the thing is the lack of proof. There is no proof that the Eagle spotted in Ukraine really is out of FWW stock and Ukraine is unlikely to support any investigation on this by handing over details about the vehicle.
So as long as there are no such details available for prosecution there simply is a lack of proof, Thomas Bockhold can simply claim "well that's not my Eagle" and that's it and everybody in Germany would likely be happy if there just isn't much talk about this. It seems to be a Swiss issue, not something Germans really care about, or if they do might silently approve of this action anyway.
The eternal war between Oceania and Eastasia. Or was it against Eurasia?
Its the same story for any authoritarian state. They are absoloutley dependant on some external threath, real or imagined. If you look back you see that this conditioning has gone on for decades in Russia. They've been fed nonsense about western "degeneracy" for years, its just after the invasion it got ramped up to child eating, peadophile, satanic nazis.
As ridiculous as it sounds, this kind of propaganda is depressingly effective. It builds a narrative of "us and them" and it makes people forget how shite their own lives are
Between 40,000 and 60,000 dead according to UK estimates.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64685428
Other than those already KIA and the ones to come, the larger problem will be the upcoming wave of suicides should those soldiers come back home with survivor's guilt and other PTSD symptoms while VA are non-existent.
The more desperate Russia becomes on the battlefield, the more they talk about nuclear weapons. Prepare for daily nuclear threats when Ukraine launches its offensive and starts to liberate regions.
I am not sure about that one. There are quite a lot of reports about Russians getting really close to the city centre and the general staff confirming their progress.
Interestingly though, just recently (today or yesterday I think) Zelenskyy spoke how important it is to hold Bakhmut which if the situation was really getting bad, I would expect him to do the opposite and downplay the importance of it.
https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-zelenskyy-russia-putin-bakhmut-2334ec3a5b74d3cc3c4e012db71920e5
Last edited:
As you know, the whole thing was supposed to last a few days, and Putin would install a puppet government in Ukraine and the masses would declare him a Master Strategist. Again.
This failed miserably, so they can't find a way out and they spout bullshit (about the Nazis, the West, the gays, whatever)... It means nothing to anyone. The essence of modern Russia is a Mafia State, nothing else.
The real problem is that for a long time, Russians allowed Putin to build this monolithic mafia government, controlling the money, the media, the prisons, and everything else. With every opposition leader that was eliminated, Russia descended further into becoming a Mafia State. Sooner or later another Stalin-like character would appear. If Putin was too soft, someone worse than him would kill him and become the Master Strategist.
It is really unfortunate that the West also allowed that. We saw who Putin is in Chechnya, in Syria, in Georgia, in handling the opposition ... but the Western leaders cared about the money first and foremost.
There are some brave Russians...
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65119595
Dmitry Muratov: The Russian journalist refusing to be silenced
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65119595
Dmitry Muratov: The Russian journalist refusing to be silenced
Looks like the second mobilization wave, as predicted, is on the way. To keep the people quite, it's officially only for volunteers. But without a doubt they will force to volunteer if necessary.
Who would have thought releasing convicted, war hardened murderers with PTSD back into society wasn't such a good idea after all. If you think Russia finally hit rock bottom, they prove you wrong.
Wonder what kind of antiquated gear they're digging out to equip them. This is just madness. Putin is crippling Russia for decades to come and there's nothing to gain for them from that war. Even if they succeeded there's no way that would in any way justify the price they paid for it. It is literally insane what they're willing to sacrifice for symbolic victories both in the short and long term.
This war wont end in a really, really long time, unless Putin falls out a window.
Even if Ukraine kicks the russians out of the country, Russia will keep launching border attacks, launching missiles and so on.
It could end up something like North and South Korea, who are officially still at war.
Even if Ukraine kicks the russians out of the country, Russia will keep launching border attacks, launching missiles and so on.
It could end up something like North and South Korea, who are officially still at war.
I think it will not end in a long long time irrespective of Putin falling out of a window. Russia as a nation is so far gone that it would take decades to sober up from the hundreds of years propaganda, and that is assuming their new leader would somehow be different than their former ones which is highly unlikely.
Russian leadership, and russians at large, don't believe Ukraine is a real country, or that Ukranians are actual people, so you might be right.
Its insane though, that they are willing to go into permanent decline just because of ideology, Russia's demographics were already bad, millions leaving or dying in battle will have dire consequences for them.
Possibly. Personally I think if Ukraine is able to push the Russians out this year, maybe take Crimea back, Putin's out the window. Too many losses and losers, in people, prestige, materiel and assets. And Putin won't be able to promise that things will get better given his economy is being slowly suffocated. All those losses, all for nothing, and it'll never improve while he is leader. He's done. Kadyrov or some other chancer with a power base and who fancies his chances, will do him.
Isn't Crimea an unrealistic target this year, for a number of reasons?
But they could cut it off, blow up the bridge and leave them to fend for themselves.
Crimea is actually a very soft target atm. A lot of the occupied territories are harder to fully breach than Crimea, unfortunate is that it comes with major soft targets, people. As Russian forces, there are in the middle of regular locals. It's safe to say that nobody from Ukranian side wants to kill any soft targets.
The problem is that Russia is a mafia state, so Putin does not have to promise anything to anyone. He will just say that everything is fine, and if someone says it isn't, he will go to prison. This is not different from any violent, militaristic dictatorship.
If you make it into Crimea proper, perhaps, i don't really have a clue about Crimea, but just looking at the map, there is a narrow point of entry, and then a bunch of lakes.
You would imagine getting through there will be anything but easy.