Westminster Politics

GDaly95 said:


I always think back to this tweet. Think it's probably quite a good assessment of things.

I don't know if the likes of Patel or Bravermann were taught at a young age that they were the 'good immigrants' and the 'bad ones' were ruining for them or what. No idea. But I think if you were to delve into their personal history and upbringing you'd strike something along those lines.
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I think that's perhaps a little simplistic. I think some people have a tendency to lump all immigrants or non white people together as if they should all be allies. This ignores the fact that,just like white people, there are a whole range of viewpoints in there. On top of that, there are intricacies between how those racial groups may view others, as well as how well integrated (for whatever reasons) one group may be compared to another.

My own feeling is that Indian and afro Caribbean origin immigrants often have the easiest time integrating and being accepted into general culture in this country, part of which I imagine may be to do with acceptability of alcohol intake etc.

There's also traditionally not exactly been much love lost between the Indian and Pakistani groups in this country for instance. I can totally believe that Braverman, born in this country, parents coming under a ' legal scheme' from Africa, married to a white man and who (unlike sunak at least) has never shown an inkling of being interested in portraying any aspect of her south Asian origin/ culture, feels absolutely no affinity whatsoever with Muslim Pakistani origin Brits and may indeed feel quite a bit more acrimony towards them than the average white brit might.
 
Maticmaker said:
Oh dear don't think its a good idea to confirm it on a open site like this... just adds to delusions ;)
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Probably about as believable as genuinely thinking there's a real reason to block those from being used while allowing the use of the 60+ oyster, as as your faux ignorance at what those reasons may be eh!? :D

Keep it up though. Guess you stop the forum from being a general echo chamber, I'll give you that at least.
 
TwoSheds said:
If you don't understand that they're risking losing one vote to discount 2 of the opposition's votes then please don't ever go to a casino or the bookies, they'll have the shirt off your back.
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Thought it would be more like discount 1 to lose 5 or 6, but you know better!

They nearly did...long ago when I was young and foolish ;)
 
Pexbo said:
She’s the brown, female face of white supremacy. She’s the acceptable face for the absolute worst ideas Tufton/Koch came come up with.

Imagine if rather than her or Priti Patel, they had Dominic Raab or Grant Schapps trying to push these policies through and pushing this rhetoric.
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There seems to be a tendency of right wings government to have women put forward the most cruel policies but I’m not sure it’s about white supremacy though.
 
Sweet Square said:
There seems to be a tendency of right wings government to have women put forward the most cruel policies but I’m not sure it’s about white supremacy though.
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She didn’t choose herself for the role. She was hand picked, for a reason.
 
Pexbo said:
She didn’t choose herself for the role. She was hand picked, for a reason.
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True but she is also a reactionary. She isn’t from Pakistan and her parents aren’t so I’m guessing she believes the shite she is talking. While also thinking it’s a voter winner.

Britain has just got its first non white PM and changed immigration policy from white europeans to the rest the world(Immigration to the UK is still going up), imo the white supremacy argument doesn’t really hold.
 
Sweet Square said:
True but she is also a reactionary. She isn’t from Pakistan and her parents aren’t so I’m guessing she believes the shite she is talking. While also thinking it’s a voter winner.

Britain has just got its first non white PM and changed immigration policy from white europeans to the rest the world(Immigration to the UK is still going up), imo the white supremacy argument doesn’t really hold.
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I’m not saying she doesn’t believe everything she’s doing, same for Sunak. At the end of the day, the UK has always been more classist than it has racist and that will have impacted Sunak and Bravaman’s lived experiences but I’m absolutely certain that some of the dark money that she’s a useful idiot for comes in from the same eugenics loving cnuts that throw money behind culture war champions like Yaxley-Lennon, Farage, Fox, Tice, Grimes, Hartley-Brewer and the list goes on.
 
Pexbo said:
She’s the brown, female face of white supremacy. She’s the acceptable face for the absolute worst ideas Tufton/Koch came come up with.

Imagine if rather than her or Priti Patel, they had Dominic Raab or Grant Schapps trying to push these policies through and pushing this rhetoric.
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Seems to be the latest tactic by the tories to hide their racism/pandering to racists. If any white politician (or any not south east asian) said what Braverman said in that interview then they would rightly be hounded out out of politics for life.
 
It’s an indictment of the populace that these no marks believe this is the best way to galvanize support.
 
Adisa said:
It’s an indictment of the populace that these no marks believe this is the best way to galvanize support.
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I think its more to do with their desperation. With Labour going right they either have to maintain the same ground as Labour and argue on competence or they create other differentiators I.e. culture wars.

There's always a sizeable chunk of the public who can be pushed right.
 
Smores said:
I think its more to do with their desperation. With Labour going right they either have to maintain the same ground as Labour and argue on competence or they create other differentiators I.e. culture wars.

There's always a sizeable chunk of the public who can be pushed right.
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Of course they are desperate but it is an easy ploy for them because it works. Racial bigotry cuts across the political spectrum in this country.
There are swathes of traditional labour voters that believe this shit. We need to accept that a significant portion of this country is full of deplorable.
 


@africanspur this is why I said last year that having the first Asian prime minister in this country isn't something to celebrate for your friends son who is from a similar background. I know you agreed with me in the sense that Sunak is a prick but that it should still be recognised as something monumental for the Asian community in the sense that it shows to them and other minorities that anyone can reach the top position in office.

But what better way for the torys to fuel racism than to get British Asian ministers to push false claims about people from similar ethnicities. Can just see all the racists frothing at the mouth right now "Of course it's true. Rishi and Suella are Asian, why would they lie? They're from similar backgrounds so they'll know better than anyone". (I know Sunak is British Indian but the average British racist doesn't distinguish between Indian and Pakistani.

Bunch of racist self serving entitled pricks with no shame at all. Embarrassing.
 
Adisa said:
Of course they are desperate but it is an easy ploy for them because it works. Racial bigotry cuts across the political spectrum in this country.
There are swathes of traditional labour voters that believe this shit. We need to accept that a significant portion of this country is full of deplorable.
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Yeah I agree, I more meant those people can be led from minor bigotry to full on nazi views. They'll always be immoral people it's the prevalent discourse that decides how far right they end up. Sadly our politicians often set it and it's easier to punch down.

It's why I very much dislike Labour putting out right wing messaging. They'll push the Tories and the country right in doing so.
 
Smores said:
Yeah I agree, I more meant those people can be led from minor bigotry to full on nazi views. They'll always be immoral people it's the prevalent discourse that decides how far right they end up. Sadly our politicians often set it and it's easier to punch down.

It's why I very much dislike Labour putting out right wing messaging. They'll push the Tories and the country right in doing so.
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That's probably because Starmer is right wing himself. Left wing labour went after the last election.

We now choose between red coloured torys or blue coloured torys.
 
surprise surprise!

Voter photo ID plan attacked as UK data shows no cases of impersonation

System’s opponents say it creates barrier to voting, with no proven instances of ‘personation’ at polling stations last year


Ministers have faced renewed accusations that the plan to impose mandatory photo ID for voting is a waste of time and resources after new statistics showed there was not a single proven case of in-person voter impersonation last year.

Meanwhile, other official data showed minimal take-up of free official voter documents before the first mass use of ID during local elections in England on 4 May, with applications for the documents closing in three weeks.


https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ed-as-uk-data-shows-no-cases-of-impersonation
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Since Blair they've all been about as bad as each other, no one ever answers with anything other than a prepared answer. Sunak is certainly about as awkward as ive seen anyone trying to deliver the non-answer though - worse than Michael Howard. Truss was shite at it too, Boris was excellent because his comedy character let him say anything, Cameron was surprisingly good given he was made of cardboard, and his only notable personality trait being that he had relations with pigs.
 
Sweet Square said:
surprise surprise!

Voter photo ID plan attacked as UK data shows no cases of impersonation

System’s opponents say it creates barrier to voting, with no proven instances of ‘personation’ at polling stations last year
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Working as intended.
 
Sweet Square said:
Braverman going off the charts

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It's clear that her and sunak are just puppets and the real leader of the party is lurking in the shadows pulling the strings, it's bizarre how they are both throwing people from the very same background as them under the bus.
 
FireballXL5 said:
Jenrick, just another law-abiding Tory MP.

Immigration minister Robert Jenrick handed six-month driving ban

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-65173804
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Shame we can’t deport Jenrick for not conforming with British norms. At least I have the satisfaction of knowing that a friend of mine fired Jenrick for being useless back in the day when he was a lawyer although it’s hard to believe he’ s since slimed up to ministerial status twice.
 
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