Westminster Politics

She looks like Dobby if his face was slowly melting.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
The EU Entry/Exit system is now due to come into place in November and the ETIAS system around this time next year.

This will involve anyone entering the EU/Schengen to be entered into the EU database system - Biometrics - everyone (adult) photographed and fingerprinted - facial recognition and tracking people more easily who overstay their three month limit. Under the ETIAS system next year they will have to pay their 7 Euros per person for the visa application.

I can't wait for the outrage.
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I can't think of a worst vote than Brexit this century by any country. Even electing Trump was less stupid.
 
GDaly95 said:


I always think back to this tweet. Think it's probably quite a good assessment of things.

I don't know if the likes of Patel or Bravermann were taught at a young age that they were the 'good immigrants' and the 'bad ones' were ruining for them or what. No idea. But I think if you were to delve into their personal history and upbringing you'd strike something along those lines.
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Isn't the explanation even simpler that it is just a grift. Patel and Bravermann can say and do things which would not be possible for a Caucasian politician and they are happy to say it for money.
 
Frosty said:
Here is a video:

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In industry if you solicited a bribe in order to facilitate insider trading you could go to jail for many years as I understand it, and at the least would be on the hook for a big fine. Doubtless nothing much will happen to this knobhead by contrast. I guess there's every chance he's out of a job in a year's time so trying to line his pockets ready for it.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/23/section/2
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/23/section/11
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1993/36/part/V/crossheading/the-offence-of-insider-dealing
 
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Would love to see this slimy prick get his just desserts.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
Really?

After all the accusations from Tories about Labour being on the side of paedophiles, grooming gangs, criminals and Jimmy Saville, THIS is too much for you?
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Yes. I expect this shite from the Tories but I'd like the opposition to have a better tactic of opposing this disgusting government than simply going "the PM doesn't hate paedos as much as I do"
 
Jericholyte2 said:
Really?

After all the accusations from Tories about Labour being on the side of paedophiles, grooming gangs, criminals and Jimmy Saville, THIS is too much for you?
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I never said any of that is okay. Just that this is quite a crass ad from Labour.
 
Labour should take this argument north of the border. SNP just changed sentencing guidelines so that first time rapists wont go to jail if they're under 25.
 
It's tacky and weird. If you want to link Tory MPs to sexual assault and child molestation then there are enough real cases you could highlight, including suspensions and criminal convictions to pick from.
 
Outrage as Charles doesn't completely sweep his family's massive slavery links under the carpet.

RICHARD KAY: I fear King Charles' well-meaning gesture to look into the relationship between the monarchy and the slave trade could be an act of folly that only serves to boost republicanism for decades

For years now, it has been fashionable for governments and politicians to apologise for crimes committed in the past.

The Royal Family, however, has remained impervious to this modern affliction. Not any more: Now the King has climbed aboard the self-flagellating bandwagon.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...aning-gesture-act-folly.html#article-11947551
 
Jericholyte2 said:
Really?

After all the accusations from Tories about Labour being on the side of paedophiles, grooming gangs, criminals and Jimmy Saville, THIS is too much for you?
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I thought Labour are meant to be an alternative to the Tories?

If this current version of Labour is willing to do exactly what the Tories do to get into power, how are we supposed to believe they're actually going to improve the country?

What evidence is there to show this Labour will not be just more of the same corruption and hate we've had in the last 13 years?
 
Mogget said:
I thought Labour are meant to be an alternative to the Tories?

If this current version of Labour is willing to do exactly what the Tories do to get into power, how are we supposed to believe they're actually going to improve the country?

What evidence is there to show this Labour will not be just more of the same corruption and hate we've had in the last 13 years?
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The fact that whenever there’s been a whiff of scandal about a Labour MP they’ve had the whip removed, no delays, no whataboutism, they’re out. Compare that to Conservatives with Owen Paterson where they tried to change the Ministerial Code, Pincher where Boris tried to sweep it under the carpet, that one watching porn in the Commons where they tried to minimalise it. Labour is showing it’s holding its MPs to account.

They’re stating facts. Yes it’s blunt but it needs to be. Tories yell from the rooftops about Labour supporting paedophiles, criminal gangs etc without any facts and Labour have relied with a factual response.

As we say, it’s blunt, but I feel necessary.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
They’re stating facts. Yes it’s blunt but it needs to be. Tories yell from the rooftops about Labour supporting paedophiles, criminal gangs etc without any facts and Labour have relied with a factual response.

As we say, it’s blunt, but I feel necessary.
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The headline claim is that Rishi Sunak does not think that adults convicted of sexually assaulting children should go to prison.

You can claim facts and feelings and blunt truths all you like but the main hook of the advert is a fecking absurd claim.

Just because Labour HQ and Keirdo have shown themselves fecking desperate to orientate themselves within the bearings from a Tory moral compass, that doesn't suddenly make their shitty behaviours and less shitty. Being a dickhead is not a relative state.
 
dumbo said:
The headline claim is that Rishi Sunak does not think that adults convicted of sexually assaulting children should go to prison.

You can claim facts and feelings and blunt truths all you like but the main hook of the advert is a fecking absurd claim.

Just because Labour HQ and Keirdo have shown themselves fecking desperate to orientate themselves within the bearings from a Tory moral compass, that doesn't suddenly make their shitty behaviours and less shitty. Being a dickhead is not a relative state.
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It’s relaying the performance of the government to the leader of said party. Take for example only this week a 21yr old who raped a 13yr old was let off without prison time because he was 17 when he did it with no governmental outrage about it.

It just screams of the moral hypocrisy of the media and the country in general, the Tories publish something like this, and ‘it’s just what they do. It’s their raison d’être.’ and they win more elections.

Labour dips their toe in and suddenly it’s crass, uncouth, and bad form, and then becomes a reason to not elect them.

If something like this makes you doubt Labour won’t be any better than the Tories then there’s no help for this country.
 
The ad is definitely not something I'd go for, whether it works or not. But considering Sunak regularly squeals in the House of Commons that Labour supports sex trafficking and people smugglers because they say the Rwanda plan is garbage, the outrage is a bit rich.

I imagine this is a response to Sunak and Braverman doing the media rounds claiming brown people are getting away with child abuse due to PC/woke culture. That the ad at least puts the responsibility on the PM and Home Sec is better than that at least.
 
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Jericholyte2 said:
It’s relaying the performance of the government to the leader of said party. Take for example only this week a 21yr old who raped a 13yr old was let off without prison time because he was 17 when he did it with no governmental outrage about it.

It just screams of the moral hypocrisy of the media and the country in general, the Tories publish something like this, and ‘it’s just what they do. It’s their raison d’être.’ and they win more elections.

Labour dips their toe in and suddenly it’s crass, uncouth, and bad form, and then becomes a reason to not elect them.

If something like this makes you doubt Labour won’t be any better than the Tories then there’s no help for this country.
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Feel free to outline the massive differences between this Labour and the Tories? Other than not having Cruella in the party.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
The fact that whenever there’s been a whiff of scandal about a Labour MP they’ve had the whip removed, no delays, no whataboutism, they’re out.
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This isn’t even true if you follow things closely. Labour nowadays use the disciplinary procedures purely as a factional weapon to attack the left in their own party, if a vague opportunity presents itself. They certainly don’t have zero tolerance for their own faction. You just have to look at Neil Coyle as an example.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Feel free to outline the massive differences between this Labour and the Tories? Other than not having Cruella in the party.
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Supporting extension of FSM program
Pushed for windfall taxes and expansion of them
Looking to go against North Sea drilling
Support of ‘good faith’ negotiations with public sector workers.

If you don’t think that this potential Labour government would at least try to improve things from the cesspool that 13yrs of this governing Party has left is in, then I can’t really help you.

Admittedly I’d like him to be stronger on closer alignment with / rejoining EU but I also know why, politically, he can’t touch that yet.
 
The Tories have spent the last 13 years slandering every Labour leader and issuing culture war and policy attack messages wherever they can. You have blokes like Guilis and Anderson who cannot get through an interview without attacking Labour or Starmer. Labour put out a single attack tweet and its all "what about kinder fairer politics " and "this us unacceptable "

Get in the fecking sea the lot of you.
 
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