Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

maniak said:
Cheers. Plenty to disagree with Chomsky there, especially regarding Ukraine's own agency and the future of occupied territories.

He has a point about the US in Iraq though, it was much more brutal than what we've seen in Ukraine so far. This is not a compliment to the russians, they don't do the same because they probably don't have the capacity to do so.
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Think It depends on what you mean by Brutal? I.e from a warcrime perspective I think Russia has likely surpassed the West in Iraq. Massrape/Torture as a strategy/ unleashing 50000 prisoners on Ukraine. Poorly trained/equiped troops then resorting to human waves/trench warfare.

Not that I'm naive, without doubt 1000s of war crimes committed by the West in Iraq, I was against it but I don't think the level of savagery the Russians have displayed was close. Genocide is happening in Ukraine for instance and it is encouraged from the highest of levels.
War crimes are rewarded, not punished.



Not sure if it's correlated with Chomsky but the amount of 'far left f*cknuggets' that seem to be in full support of the Russian invasion because it's against Nato/America and many of these are Americans.. just boggles the brain. Initially I thought it was just bots but some of the profiles have a lot of normal stuff and then anything about Ukraine is full whataboutism on the West, while justifying the Russian genocide. Scum of the earth imo.
 
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Rajma said:
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ZA is on the verge of an economic collapse, so they can't afford to oppose the western world. They will behave the same as Turkey does. Appease both sides just enough, so they can make the most profit out of it.
 


From "We take Kiev in 3 days" to "We need to evacuate our families from Crimea".
 
Gehrman said:
So the insurgents and terrorists had like no agency and therefore no responsibility for their own actions? Its a bit like saying the syrian civil war casualties lie on the feet of the people protesting for democracy and not Assad and Isis. Because if they didnt demand democracy there would be no civil war.
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If you refer terrorist to the US that was in foreign soil terrorizing the whole country with lies and excuses of unexistant WOMD that was corroborated by neutral parties like the UN, yes, they had an agency....i never understood calling terrorist who were fighting in their own country against and invader that brought terror to your own country. We can discuss the idiology of them and we will most likely agree how we espise them, but i can guarantee that without the US invasion they would not cause the car bombs and the attacks on the population. Every country needs their own pace to reach a degree of democracy and human rights but with the west meddling since the 70s, it is not possible. Afghanistan could (maybe not) be a more advanced society (surely better economically) than in 2001 and now probably is behind. Other countries that had not been invaded in middle east are better off and they are advancing, sure slowly, to a better rights country. Also, i dont think that US had many qualms when the afghans were allies and heroes when they were fighting the soviets. Someone might correct me but probably they were using similar tactics

And yes, i repeat, US directly and indirectly is the responsible of what happened there. As russia is the responsible of what is happening in Ukraine. And if ukraine would attack civilians as collateral it would raise eyebrows, but i assure you that some would justify it and probably lots would blame indirectly the russians for starting the conflict and rightly so. If russians would not start the war, nothing war relating would never happened

The faster we understand that there are not good dominaotr powers the better. US is our asshole so we will support him for our own benefit and way of life but is not by any means better than any other superpower that had exist and will exist
 
entropy said:
it’s a well known fact. and these numbers are underreported as the US tried to suppress the actual numbers and made it harder to do a thorough investigation.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...allujah-worse-than-hiroshima-2034065.html?amp
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How did you arrive to the conclusion that it was the DU ordnance causing this? You are aware that there are other cancerogenics apart from radionuclides, right ? They dropped phosphorus and probably a ton of other shit on the city.
 
Interesting, that China also voted "yes". Normally they stay neutral.
 
So anyway, I guess this is the month where we'll see the Ukrainian offensive starting to take shape?
 
entropy said:
I mean…..it is a byproduct of the enriched uranium used to power nuclear reactors. the effects of which are widely well known to cause similar long term damage in no way different to the victims of hiroshima.
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You're not wrong there, but the use of DU rounds is a legitimate battlefield tactic for a key reason. Wouldn't bother me at all if they were declared verboten through a treaty, etc.
 
Maybe Kirby misspoke? Seems unreal to have 100K casualties in Bakhmut alone.


 
VorZakone said:
Maybe Kirby misspoke? Seems unreal to have 100K casualties in Bakhmut alone.


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I believe this number. They use human wave tactics for a year now in Bakhmut, sometimes 100 dead for 10 meters gained. That includes also the city's surroundings.
 
nimic said:
That doesn't seem to match at all the intelligence leak, unless somehow most Russian casualties during the entire war were in Bakhmut since December.
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Bakhmut does seem to be the most hot area for about half a year, and it's the place where a lot of these Wagner convicts are basically sent to die.
 
VorZakone said:
Maybe Kirby misspoke? Seems unreal to have 100K casualties in Bakhmut alone.


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I think it's possible. Prigozhin said that 94 or so were killed yesterday or the day before. 5 months have passed since the start of December. If we use that ~100/day count, it brings us to 15k. And I think the offensives slowed down considerably in the last few weeks, they were much bigger before.
 
4bars said:
If you refer terrorist to the US that was in foreign soil terrorizing the whole country with lies and excuses of unexistant WOMD that was corroborated by neutral parties like the UN, yes, they had an agency....i never understood calling terrorist who were fighting in their own country against and invader that brought terror to your own country. We can discuss the idiology of them and we will most likely agree how we espise them, but i can guarantee that without the US invasion they would not cause the car bombs and the attacks on the population. Every country needs their own pace to reach a degree of democracy and human rights but with the west meddling since the 70s, it is not possible. Afghanistan could (maybe not) be a more advanced society (surely better economically) than in 2001 and now probably is behind. Other countries that had not been invaded in middle east are better off and they are advancing, sure slowly, to a better rights country. Also, i dont think that US had many qualms when the afghans were allies and heroes when they were fighting the soviets. Someone might correct me but probably they were using similar tactics

And yes, i repeat, US directly and indirectly is the responsible of what happened there. As russia is the responsible of what is happening in Ukraine. And if ukraine would attack civilians as collateral it would raise eyebrows, but i assure you that some would justify it and probably lots would blame indirectly the russians for starting the conflict and rightly so. If russians would not start the war, nothing war relating would never happened

The faster we understand that there are not good dominaotr powers the better. US is our asshole so we will support him for our own benefit and way of life but is not by any means better than any other superpower that had exist and will exist
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There is a lot there i agree with., but when i said terrorists i meant the people who into a shia/sunna mosques and blew up praying civilian devotees.
 
dove said:
I think it's possible. Prigozhin said that 94 or so were killed yesterday or the day before. 5 months have passed since the start of December. If we use that ~100/day count, it brings us to 15k. And I think the offensives slowed down considerably in the last few weeks, they were much bigger before.
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And don't forget casualties are not only the dead, but also the injured. A bullet in your leg or some other injury by a nade/shell and you can't fight anymore. The number is definetly realistic.
 
The United said:
As long as we don't hurt ourselves doing that.
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According to US intel, Russia have lost as many as 100 000 soldiers since December (20 000 dead). The loss figures on the Ukrainian side is by all accounts not comparable.
 
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