Westminster Politics

WPMUFC said:
How will we be able to suppress voter turnout in the future if labor allows more people to vote? :lol:

Also, direct reference to voter ID as being a political strategy for suppressing turnout. These people are fecking turds.

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He's a terrible public speaker and that's a real nonsense stream of consciousness.
 
Jacob Rees-Mogg has suggested the Conservatives introduced voter ID to boost their election chances, but it came "back to bite them".

The former minister said it had "made it hard for our own voters" to take part in England's local elections.

The polls on 4 May were the first in Britain where people had to show photo ID, such as a passport or driving licence, to vote.

Mr Rees-Mogg said the change had "upset a system that worked perfectly well."

The government says the new voter ID rules are necessary to tackle voter fraud, and boost public confidence in elections.
But Mr Rees-Mogg told the BBC there was no evidence that the issue of voter fraud was a "serious problem" - something the government's opponents have long argued
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I am shocked to find this out, I always assumed the rules came in because of "democracy" and "fairness" or some shit like that...
 
Pexbo said:
I’m actually more worried that right wing governments and press will recognise that they no longer need service industry staff and having a large population contributing to climate change and living off the state is in direct opposition to their libertarian values.

There is a potential utopia but it won’t work if there is 10+ billion people.
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By the end of the century most OECD countries will see their populations reduce their population. Some of them even more than half. Even China will see its population being halved. So this policies will not be needed in the west
 
TheGame said:
I fecking despise everyone at the Conservative conference thing. They are all batshit crazy. It’s fecking scary.
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Nah, it's the far left (Starmer, Biden, etc) that's drifting too far from the centre. The centre-right (current Tories, current GOP, etc) are totally where they've always been.
 
Adisa said:
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How they can be so shemeless confessing that they are not interested in democracy, everybody voting but who is voting for them? I understand that this is what they want. But just saying it like without filters
 
4bars said:
How they can be so shemeless confessing that they are not interested in democracy, everybody voting but who is voting for them? I understand that this is what they want. But just saying it like without filters
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They're busy cultivating an us against them mentality, and have been for years. I'd imagine the people that continue to vote for them won't bat an eyelid at them saying any shite because they just want what they want and feck anyone else who doesn't agree or is disadvantaged.
 
Adisa said:
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He’s gaslighting. They lost despite voter ID suppressing the opposition vote. He wants to embed a narrative that it’s actually bad for the Tories. It’s not but we will hear that claim repeated ad nauseam until people like Maticmaker start using it in arguments unironically.
 
Pexbo said:
He’s gaslighting. They lost despite voter ID suppressing the opposition vote. He wants to embed a narrative that it’s actually bad for the Tories. It’s not but we will hear that claim repeated ad nauseam until people like Maticmaker start using it in arguments unironically.
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If he wants to run with that narrative and put pressure on the Tories to back track on voter ID requirements then I wish him well in that endeavour.
 
Bert_ said:
If he wants to run with that narrative and put pressure on the Tories to back track on voter ID requirements then I wish him well in that endeavour.
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That’s the point. It won’t put any pressure on them. It’s designed to ease public pressure. Tories know it’s nonsense and will never roll it back.

I’d bet good money that the likes of Kuessenberg repeat it at some point.
 
Pexbo said:
That’s the point. It won’t put any pressure on them. It’s designed to ease public pressure. Tories know it’s nonsense and will never roll it back.

I’d bet good money that the likes of Kuessenberg repeat it at some point.
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If you can whip up both sides into thinking voter ID is working against them then it puts huge pressure on the government to scrap it from both directions. Whether they give in to that pressure is a different question.
 
Michael Gove claims Labour's plan to extend voting rights would 'downgrade ultimate privilege of British citizenship'




Michael Gove, the levelling up secretary, was once the leading idealogue for Cameroon conservatism, but he is shifted in recent years and this afternoon he is the star turn at the NatCon shindig. Overnight, he has delighted the Daily Mail by launching an attack on the plan being floated by Labour to extend the right to vote to EU nationals and 16- and 17-year-olds. In a letter to Keir Starmer seen by the paper, Gove says:

Why do you think it’s right to downgrade the ultimate privilege of British citizenship – the right to vote in a general election?

What do you say to those who say that your approach is designed to undermine Brexit – and ‘rig’ the voting system for national elections and referendums?

Is it still your view that the ‘age of adulthood in most cases’ is 18, or is this another area where you have changed your approach?
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Narrator: Currently citizens of the following countries can vote in UK General Elections:

Antigua and BarbudaAustraliaThe Bahamas
BangladeshBarbadosBelize
BotswanaBrunei DarussalamCameroon
CanadaCyprusDominica
Fiji IslandsGhanaGrenada
GuyanaIndiaJamaica
KenyaKingdom of EswatiniKiribati
LesothoMalawiMalaysia
MaldivesMaltaMauritius
MozambiqueNamibiaNauru
New ZealandNigeriaPakistan
Papua New GuineaRwandaSt Kitts & Nevis
St LuciaSt Vincent & The GrenadinesSamoa
SeychellesSierra LeoneSingapore
Solomon IslandsSouth AfricaSri Lanka
The GambiaTongaTrinidad and Tobago
TuvaluUgandaUnited Republic of Tanzania
VanuatuZambiaZimbabwe

And Ireland.
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Tories - We actively supress the vote so we can achieve majority governments.

Labour - More people should be allow to vote

Tories - We will call Labour's plan "rigging elections" because we will not change our political ideology or policy to meet the changing political climate, which means when more people are allowed to vote, we have less chance of majority.

Media: Tories say they want voter ID to secure elections, claim labours voting policy is rigging elections.

Well done you fecking ghouls....media balance at all cost.
 
I actually changed some minds yesterday, amongst older people too. In the end we decided that if doddering 90 year-olds had the vote then 16 year-olds should too. To be honest I wasn't completely sure myself to begin with but the more thought I put into it the more convinced I became.
 
711 said:
I actually changed some minds yesterday, amongst older people too. In the end we decided that if doddering 90 year-olds had the vote then 16 year-olds should too. To be honest I wasn't completely sure myself to begin with but the more thought I put into it the more convinced I became.
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I think general consensus is slowly shifting in that direction. Maybe it's because we've realised that voters can be morons no matter what their age!

It's an important thing to consider though. You start to make decisions that will have significant impacts on you're future when you're 16. Anyone that age really should have the right to vote on who will govern them over the next 5 years of their life.
 
Somehow, each passing day, they manage to be bigger cnuts than the day before.
 
So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin. They condemned millions of people to semi-starvation. I warn you young men and women, do not listen to what they are saying. They have not changed, or if they have they are slightly worse.
 
We are steamrolling towards America and the media is playing an active role. This shit should scare people. We are in deep deep trouble.
 
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