Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

It’s equally ironic and weird that at the beginning of the actual war, Putin repeatedly stated and drilled into the Russian public that he was going to war to fight neo-Nazis that were a danger to Russia…

And in the most incredible twist of fate, that is actually what’s now happening.

Bizarre.
 
Champ said:
Can't believe people are trying to portray this as a good thing.

More war, more civilians at risk, more bloodshed, and if anything an elongation to the current war in respect that we now have a war within a war.
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People have to die so Russia can lose. You could have written the same about wwII reaching Berlin. It’s a good thing when looking at the bigger picture. That it’s still war and innocent people will die is a given. Sadly.
 
do.ob said:
Right. My heart is breaking seeing how the aggressors turn their weapons against each other instead of combining their strength against Ukranian civilians.
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Yeah, because reports already of potential civilian injuries in Russia is great to hear.
 
Putin could try and smash wagner, but if it doesn't work he's finished, he could be out in the next 48hrs.
Perhaps a smarter play would be to reach out to them, welcome their convoy to moscow..fire some of the old generals in the defence ministry that Prighozin cant stand.. Have a nice banquet in the Kremlin with Prighozin, and some of the new generals that are minded to support him. Lots of speeches about One Russia etc.
Then lock the doors and gas them, then put a hundred bullet holes in each of them.
 
Superden said:
Putin could try and smash wagner, but if it doesn't work he's finished, he could be out in the next 48hrs.
Perhaps a smarter play would be to reach out to them, welcome their convoy to moscow..fire some of the old generals in the defence ministry that Prighozin cant stand.. Have a nice banquet in the Kremlin with Prighozin, and some of the new generals that are minded to support him. Lots of speeches about One Russia etc.
Then lock the doors and gas them, then put a hundred bullet holes in each of them.
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Don't think he can walk back from what he said today.
 
Champ said:
Yeah, because reports already of potential civilian injuries in Russia is great to hear.
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Breaking news: it's a war, people are going to suffer either way. Only now it's Russians attacking Russians, instead of Ukranians.
 
The Firestarter said:
Best chance for the war to end, if armies are diverted from the battlefield. its too early to tell if there will be civilian bloodshed in Russia.
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But the problem there is the battlefield is merely being moved,

The Ukrainian war won't end straight away, and if the Wagner group did gain power, or at least Putin lost power, there's no guarantee that the Ukrainian war would end, or troops be pulled out.
 
do.ob said:
Breaking news: it's a war, people are going to suffer either way. Only now it's Russians attacking Russians, instead of Ukranians.
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No, it's Ukrainians suffering at home

And now Russians suffering at home.

Great stuff. Two for the price of one.
 
Champ said:
But the problem there is the battlefield is merely being moved,

The Ukrainian war won't end straight away, and if the Wagner group did gain power, or at least Putin lost power, there's no guarantee that the Ukrainian war would end, or troops be pulled out.
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They, Wagner, aren’t going to gain power. It’s a question of when and not if they are subdued. In the meantime, however, it might provide a bit more of a distraction for Ukraine to liberate its territory and – more importantly – its enslaved people.
 
Champ said:
But the problem there is the battlefield is merely being moved,

The Ukrainian war won't end straight away, and if the Wagner group did gain power, or at least Putin lost power, there's no guarantee that the Ukrainian war would end, or troops be pulled out.
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Best case is Putin pulling the armies sufficiently that Ukraine commits fully and occupies back everything. After last 24h , the probability of that is not zero.
 
The Firestarter said:
It's like a choice between a giant douche and turd sandwich.
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That very much depends on what happens though. If Wagner does drive Putin out that doesn't mean Prigozhin immediately takes power. It just means Russia will be in a state of flux. If the civilian populace marches on mass I don't think there's really much Prigozhin can do. Yes, he's got 25k troops, but if they start opening fire on Russian Civilians then all that good will they've got with the Russian Army goes. Then it will be all out war. On top of that you just know there will be diehard supporters of Putin who will not go out quietly.

It's going to be an utter mess.
 
Sir Matt said:
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Corbyn will claim that NATO's aggressive expansion has lead to Russia emptying it's prisons to join mercenary militias...battle in Africa and Syria to gain combat experience...be directed to fight in Ukraine...decide to do a 180 and start fighting Putin's forces and storm Moscow.

He may even claim it's part of some global conspiracy run by...ah yes...well lets just say global corporate forces.
 
Champ said:
Yeah, because reports already of potential civilian injuries in Russia is great to hear.
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What about those who died in Kyiv tonight due to russian bombing? Why didn't you write a post about them?
 
do.ob said:
Right. My heart is breaking seeing how the aggressors turn their weapons against each other instead of combining their strength against Ukranian civilians.
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This.

Trying to take a moral high ground when there’s feck all high ground to take is laughable.

Russia started all this, they can deal with the consequences. If this brings a quicker end to the bloodshed in Ukraine then I’m all for it, im not condoning innocent lives being lost in Russia but with a war, it’s a sad reality, but I’d rather that be within the aggressors borders.

This is Russia’s mess.
 
TMDaines said:
They, Wagner, aren’t going to gain power. It’s a question of when and not if they are subdued. In the meantime, however, it might provide a bit more of a distraction for Ukraine to liberate its territory and – more importantly – its enslaved people.
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If this does go to an all out assault for Moscow, it stands to reason that no troops will be brought in from the Ukrainian battlefield, that'd take too long to get any troops there.

Meanwhile attacks are still continuing in Ukraine.
 
buchansleftleg said:
Corbyn will claim that NATO's aggressive expansion has lead to Russia emptying it's prisons to join mercenary militias...battle in Africa and Syria to gain combat experience...be directed to fight in Ukraine...decide to do a 180 and start fighting Putin's forces and storm Moscow.

He may even claim it's part of some global conspiracy run by...ah yes...well lets just say global corporate forces.
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instead we should celebrate the rise of privately funded paramilitaries committing carnage around the world. yee haw!
 
Champ said:
But the problem there is the battlefield is merely being moved,

The Ukrainian war won't end straight away, and if the Wagner group did gain power, or at least Putin lost power, there's no guarantee that the Ukrainian war would end, or troops be pulled out.
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The leader of Wagner has come out and said that the war is nothing to do with demilitarisation but simply for a general to get another star. He could maybe change his narrative again and continue the war but it's a better chance for a resolution of the conflict than to allow what's currently been going on to continue. Obviously innocent Russians are going to be in the crossfire and that is tragic, but a continuation of the killing in a prolonged war would surely be greater and worse?
 
Champ said:
No, it's Ukrainians suffering at home

And now Russians suffering at home.

Great stuff. Two for the price of one.
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Things can't be in two places at once. Any vehicle lost in Russia is one vehicle less attacking Ukraine. Any missiles expended at Wagner is one missle less aimed at Urkaine. Wagner moving on Russia probably means tens of thousand Russian soldiers less in Ukraine. Surely that's not so hard to grasp? And besides, Russia imploding is the quickest route to peace anyway.
 
Champ said:
If this does go to an all out assault for Moscow, it stands to reason that no troops will be brought in from the Ukrainian battlefield, that'd take too long to get any troops there.

Meanwhile attacks are still continuing in Ukraine.
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Unless they roll right away through Moscow, there will be some standoff. In such a case , its a race against time and the government would have resources in Ukraine they could deploy through the Northern routes.
 
onemanarmy said:
I prefer them fighting in Russia in stead of Ukraine to be fair.
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but they are also fighting in Syria, Libya, the Central African Republic, Mail, North Sudan and Yemen.
I want Putin gone as much as the next man, but a coup by a privately funded multinational paramilitary group that doesn't seem to answer anymore to any state, only its funders? how can that possibly end well.
 
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