Westminster Politics

This isn't the UK version of The Onion, is it? This actually is real breaking news?

You don’t think a PM using pens that he could erase isn’t something worth reporting?

Especially one espousing transparency, integrity and accountability?
 
You don’t think a PM using pens that he could erase isn’t something worth reporting?

Especially one espousing transparency, integrity and accountability?

It’s a bit silly to report it as news without first contacting central government to point it out. I’m sure they’d have changed the pens immediately. I don’t think he’s using them to conceal. They’re great pens. I use them all the time. Had no idea they were eraseable.
 
Mass unionisation wasn't and isn't an issue, but in the 70's it was mad, striking over tea breaks and the like was just idiocy, and that's what put Thatcher in power, people were fed up with rubbish on the streets and dead bodies piling up in the mortuaries

70's Union leaders and shop stewards were little more than rabble rousers in a lot of cases, it was about power over the establishment (the Government) not about the workers they represented

As someone who experienced the 1970s Trades Unions shop stewards, in some cases, it was more insidious than just rabble rousing.
You are right about it being about power.
There is no doubt in my mind that the industrial strikes were part of an attempt to make the UK ungovernable and potentially lead to a rise in Communism on behalf of the Soviet Union.
 
Listen to the call when Reagan phoned her to retrospectively let her know he had undertaken military action in a UK territory (if I recall) without prior notice and she sounds like a fawning Aunt, not like the Iron Lady.

Yes, wasn't this about Grenada or some British protectorate elsewhere in the Caribbean, where Reagan had invaded (his version of 'first strike' diplomacy) to prevent the spread of communism (assumed left wing takeover) on the US doorstep?

One reason the call was made public I suspect was the 'fawning' from Maggie was to show her support for Reagan and her appreciation of the unofficial help we received from Al Haig, vis-a-vis 'Exocet missile' information during Falklands War.
 
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Yes, wasn't this about Grenada or some British protectorate elsewhere in the Caribbean, where Reagan had invaded (his version of 'first strike' diplomacy) to prevent the spread of communism (assumed left wing takeover) on the US doorstep?

One reason the call was made public I suspect was the 'fawning' from Maggie was to show her support for Reagan and her appreciation of the unofficial help we received from Al Haig, vis-a-vis 'Exocet missile' information during Falklands War.
Think it was only made public ten years ago or so but was just so sycophantic, really made me realise how much of a useless person she truly was.
 
As someone who experienced the 1970s Trades Unions shop stewards, in some cases, it was more insidious than just rabble rousing.
You are right about it being about power.
There is no doubt in my mind that the industrial strikes were part of an attempt to make the UK ungovernable and potentially lead to a rise in Communism on behalf of the Soviet Union.
Indeed in some cases it was more insidious, some of the unions, if I recall correctly, got funding from the Soviets
 
Any evidence for that claim?

Not specifically funding.
But I certainly know that when I attended a number of District Committee meetings, the objective of destabilising the government was actively discussed. As were communications from the UK Communist Party.
In fact we were being encouraged to visit our French counterparts where the Communist Party were much more active.
 
Not specifically funding.
But I certainly know that when I attended a number of District Committee meetings, the objective of destabilising the government was actively discussed. As were communications from the UK Communist Party.
In fact we were being encouraged to visit our French counterparts where the Communist Party were much more active.

Absolutely agree, I was a young (21 years old) AEU shop steward in the mid to late 1960s and early 1970's and went on marches in Manchester, remember in particular all the way down Oxford road on the 'kill the bill' demonstration. 'The marchers were all AEU members initially, carrying AEU flags and banners, but as the march progressed others joined us with different banners, mainly communist party, and other socialist groups. At such a young and tender age I had no idea what was happening as over a mile or so half my AEU mates dropped out... it was my first introduction to the sell out to 'international socialism' in the Unions and eventually the Labour Party itself. Cannot say if it was funded by the USSR, but it certainly was a take over of the British Working classes main weapon.
 
fecking unions, making our workplaces safer and bringing in the minimum wage. Maternity leave, too. All of those things. But don't forget that a mate of mine fifty years ago heard someone say they were definitely communists, the Russian bastards should all be shot for treason. Anyway, back to surviving in Tory Britain.
 
Not off the top of my head, there were stories about it at the time but I've no idea how much, if any, were true, it was certainly true in the 1920's though

Not specifically funding.
But I certainly know that when I attended a number of District Committee meetings, the objective of destabilising the government was actively discussed. As were communications from the UK Communist Party.
In fact we were being encouraged to visit our French counterparts where the Communist Party were much more active.

Absolutely agree, I was a young (21 years old) AEU shop steward in the mid to late 1960s and early 1970's and went on marches in Manchester, remember in particular all the way down Oxford road on the 'kill the bill' demonstration. 'The marchers were all AEU members initially, carrying AEU flags and banners, but as the march progressed others joined us with different banners, mainly communist party, and other socialist groups. At such a young and tender age I had no idea what was happening as over a mile or so half my AEU mates dropped out... it was my first introduction to the sell out to 'international socialism' in the Unions and eventually the Labour Party itself. Cannot say if it was funded by the USSR, but it certainly was a take over of the British Working classes main weapon.

All a bit of a spurious link to make the claim that unions had soviet funding, to be honest.

As for Maticmaker, I take your posts with a pinch of salt. You've been shown to have some wildly illogical and unfounded views on here, even in the face of clear evidence against.

Sounds like you are buying into the trotted out right wing media narrative attempting to discredit unions, without which, we would be working 7 days a week with no weekends, no holidays and little job security.
 
fecking unions, making our workplaces safer and bringing in the minimum wage. Maternity leave, too. All of those things. But don't forget that a mate of mine fifty years ago heard someone say they were definitely communists, the Russian bastards should all be shot for treason. Anyway, back to surviving in Tory Britain.
The Russians love us having maternity leave, trying to stifle British productivity so they can sneak into our house of Lords when we are too busy raising children. The unions were caught napping, again.

Putin probably privatised our water companies too back in 1989, I heard he sent a little communist birdie to speak to Thatcher about it.
 
The Russians love us having maternity leave, trying to stifle British productivity so they can sneak into our house of Lords when we are too busy raising children. The unions were caught napping, again.

Putin probably privatised our water companies too back in 1989, I heard he sent a little communist birdie to speak to Thatcher about it.
:lol: the wankers. Privatising the water companies was clearly a union/Labour effort as well. I just wish they would give the Tories a break if I'm honest, because unions have ruined everything. I'm positive that if the Tories had a solid 10-15 years in power, and were able to remove certain worker's rights and cut spending in the public sector, we'd be in a better position than the one we're in because of meddling unions/Labour/communists
 
fecking unions, making our workplaces safer and bringing in the minimum wage. Maternity leave, too. All of those things. But don't forget that a mate of mine fifty years ago heard someone say they were definitely communists, the Russian bastards should all be shot for treason. Anyway, back to surviving in Tory Britain.

That is what pisses me off a lot. Here in canada there are union and non union jobs. In my little understanding as immigrant, unions works different than in spain

Long story short, the non union criticize the union jobs because they are abusing their workers rights like they have too much brakes, they are too protected to getting kicked out so they are lazy, they dont go beyond their scope of responsability.

So basically they are criticizing union jobs to have more workers rights and use them rightly

Same with demonizing the unions in amazon plants

Propaganda had win making look bad the unions when they are the only ones that are supposed to unite us as wrking class against the patrons. Sure there had been ocasions that they fecked up, but is thanks to them that we had so much of the rights ee enjoy today and we would have even more if everybody would be unionized

But yeah, the employer will protect us best. We are hopeless
 
Sums it up nicely

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Sums it up nicely

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I know this isn’t a serious post but it really isn’t that far from the truth (and it’s similar in the US too), which shows how far from real ‘democracy’ we actually are.
 
Correction - we've paid £150m for this. These fecking thieves.
Well yeah, but at least the NHS is flourishing now that it's getting the couple of hundred million a week that was going to the EU before Brexit.

Honestly, as an outsider looking in I'm astonished how the UK public have allowed the current version of the tories to stay in power, they're rotten to their absolute core.