Westminster Politics

[Abizzz]

What does ‘not going on the roofs with anything’ even mean?

She means the EU introduced safety legislation that only the UK ever stuck to (hence being at a disadvantage).

The claim is not true but it's not as silly as she makes it sound.

 

[Red in STL]

She means the EU introduced safety legislation that only the UK ever stuck to (hence being at a disadvantage).

The claim is not true but it's not as silly as she makes it sound.

Basically she was saying us Brits just complied but the Germans and French ignored it and protested from their rooftops, element of truth re: the French but it's bollocks really

 

[Paul the Wolf]

What does ‘not going on the roofs with anything’ even mean?

She's been scouring all the rooftops of the UK, Germany and France.

In reality talking complete b*ll*x , has no idea whatsoever and is something she probably read in the Daily Express.

 

[Bert_]

So, what's the point of pay review bodies again? Seems they only agree with them when it concerns MP's salaries.

UK government willing to ignore public sector pay review bodies, minister says
Chief secretary to the Treasury confirms some recommended rises could be blocked despite prospect of strikes

https://www.theguardian.com/society...public-sector-pay-review-bodies-minister-says

They used the pay review bodies recommendations last year (made before inflation went through the roof) to argue that what public sector workers were asking for was unreasonable. All of a sudden they don't matter.

Guaranteed when questioned on it they'll say "They are just recommendations". It's Gospel when it's something that backs them up. Just opinion when it doesn't.

 

[TheGame]

Watched the Rishi interview on Laura K this morning. Absolutely awful. The man has zero empathy and immediately gets on the defensive under any questioning.

Sticks robotically to the same pre-prepared soundbites and refuses to deviate. The level of evasion and repetition is worse than I think I have ever seen before.

I wish interviewers would call his robotic shite out and say to him you are just repeating the same soundbites. He is so out of touch with working people it's actually unreal. A life in the bubble of private schooling and rich circles will do that to you.

 

[TheGame]

 

[TheGame]

 

[TheGame]

What a Cnut

 

[Buster15]

Of course he did. Has to be a backhander or a thick brown envelope in it for him. A true blue Tory.

 

[Buster15]

So, what's the point of pay review bodies again? Seems they only agree with them when it concerns MP's salaries.

UK government willing to ignore public sector pay review bodies, minister says
Chief secretary to the Treasury confirms some recommended rises could be blocked despite prospect of strikes

https://www.theguardian.com/society...public-sector-pay-review-bodies-minister-says

Ah. So you spotted that minor confusion by the government.
When we said that we had to stick with the Pay Review Body recommendation, what we really meant was....we don't. Hopefully that is clear.

 

[Pexbo]

To be clear, Supertanskiii is an insufferable nob but what the feck? How brain dead do you have to be to think this is a good idea? Pure smooth brain.

 

[TheGame]

 

[Mockney]

To be clear, Supertanskiii is an insufferable nob but what the feck? How brain dead do you have to be to think this is a good idea? Pure smooth brain.

yeah he’s a massive prick trying to leverage the usual toxic culture war bollocks…but also the next post in her thread blaming the Tories for having a mild panic at the front of the Pyramid stage at Glasto is in fairness a very funny reach for someone whose entire bit depends on grifting horny centrist dads. Almost admirable commitment tbf

 

[Pexbo]

yeah he’s a massive prick trying to leverage the usual toxic culture war bollocks…but also the next post in her thread blaming the Tories for having a mild panic at the front of the Pyramid stage at Glasto is in fairness a very funny reach for someone whose entire bit depends on grifting horny centrist dads. Almost admirable commitment tbf

Wait until RussInCheshire finds out about this

 

[Mockney]

Hey, he’s written a book! And I’m sure he only says ‘omnishambles’ and ‘cockwomble’ in it max 100-150 times

in fairness, the two of them are doing wonders for the tabloid stereotype of the smug but hysterical white middle class liberal. And in the end, isn’t that really praxis?

 

[TheGame]

To be clear, Supertanskiii is an insufferable nob but what the feck? How brain dead do you have to be to think this is a good idea? Pure smooth brain.

He’s carrying on.

 

[FireballXL5]

And there was Steve Barclay delaying the covid vaccination programme signoff because he was so concerned about the taxpayer and value for money. I don't think I can properly express my hatred for these feckers.

 

[TwoSheds]

Not economic benefit - direct fiscal benefit. Actually having a young motivated person to add to the labour force is generally going to be a massive economic benefit when you have an aging population with a high proportion of people long term sick.

 

[Abizzz]

Not economic benefit - direct fiscal benefit. Actually having a young motivated person to add to the labour force is generally going to be a massive economic benefit when you have an aging population with a high proportion of people long term sick.

Agreed, the only party getting any economical benefit from this is Rwanda.

 

[Buster15]

And there was Steve Barclay delaying the covid vaccination programme signoff because he was so concerned about the taxpayer and value for money. I don't think I can properly express my hatred for these feckers.

Completely with you on that.
I am in my early 70s and have seen many governments come and go.
But I have to be honest and say that I have never witnessed a government that is so incompetent and inept and totally out of touch as this one. And I have never hated a government as much as this.

 

[711]

Completely with you on that.
I am in my early 70s and have seen many governments come and go.
But I have to be honest and say that I have never witnessed a government that is so incompetent and inept and totally out of touch as this one. And I have never hated a government as much as this.

I hated Thatcher and her crew far more, they were evil class warriors who didn't care how much damage they did so long as they put the working class back in it's place, but I have to admit they were good at it, in a sort of Norman Conquest way.

This government seems to have no objectives, no philosophy, no morals, no competence, it just seems to be a bunch of people feathering their own nests while they can and trying to climb up their organisation to trouser even more. I'd love it if half of the feckers were prosecuted for corruption and sent down, it's what the country needs.

 

[TheGame]

 

[Adisa]

Anyone following the Covid inquiry?

 

[CassiusClaymore]

Anyone following the Covid inquiry?

Just saw something about Hancock not attending any of the pandemic planning sub committees or something. I mean you can't expect the Health Security to be going to those when he's down the pub trying to get his landlord a PPE deal and groping his staff when he's got a free minute.

 

[Buster15]

I hated Thatcher and her crew far more, they were evil class warriors who didn't care how much damage they did so long as they put the working class back in it's place, but I have to admit they was good at it, in a sort of Norman Conquest way.

This government seems to have no objectives, no philosophy, no morals, no competence, it just seems to be a bunch of people feathering their own nests while they can and trying to climb up their organisation to trouser even more. I'd love it if half of the feckers were prosecuted for corruption and sent down, it's what the country needs.

Yes.
While I was writing my previous post, I did think about the Thatcher government.
But I always thought at the time they actually believed in their policies, bad as they were. Margaret Thatcher certainly did. Quite unlike Boris for example who only believed in those which benefited Boris.

But you are quite right. This government has zero morals and is much like a meatfly flitting around from headline to headline with no defined understanding of anything and certainly no joined up thinking.
But that is just incompetence.
They are much more dangerous than that.
Because their policies are spiteful and nasty and lack any sort of comprehension of the day to day struggles of the population.
They seem to detest anything and everything and everyone in equal measure.
Horrible nasty people.

 

[Fully Fledged]

He should be tried for treason. This and the meeting where he left his Secret Service detail behind should be enough to have him convicted.

 

[Maticmaker]

But I always thought at the time they actually believed in their policies, bad as they were. Margaret Thatcher certainly did.

Yes she did, her spell in government changed everything, have to admit in my life (career wise) it changed everything, simply because you knew everything she said she would do, she did. It was like getting the racing results two days early.

In the early 1980's I attended a conference in Cheshire at an FE College, presented by two of Mrs 'T's Downing Street apparatchik's, they spoke for nearly two hours about what the NTI initiative was all about and what Thatcher intended to do about school leavers, either finding jobs, undertaking planned training or entering full time education, they never mentioned the Further Education establishment once and were listened to in complete silence.... as the penny began to drop!

As I drove home with a colleague (we were at the time both Labour party members), we both agreed Labour didn't stand a chance, and had no one like her, she was the complete epitome of the 'conviction politician' believed everything she said and wouldn't flinch in carrying it out, but which nobody in my age group, at the time, recognised, because we had never seen one before (or since come to think of it!).

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

Yes she did, her spell in government changed everything, have to admit in my life (career wise) it changed everything, simply because you knew everything she said she would do, she did. It was like getting the racing results two days early.

In the early 1980's I attended a conference in Cheshire at an FE College, presented by two of Mrs 'T's Downing Street apparatchik's, they spoke for nearly two hours about what the NTI initiative was all about and what Thatcher intended to do about school leavers, either finding jobs, undertaking planned training or entering full time education, they never mentioned the Further Education establishment once and were listened to in complete silence.... as the penny began to drop!

As I drove home with a colleague (we were at the time both Labour party members), we both agreed Labour didn't stand a chance, and had no one like her, she was the complete epitome of the 'conviction politician' believed everything she said and wouldn't flinch in carrying it out, but which nobody in my age group, at the time, recognised, because we had never seen one before (or since come to think of it!).

Unfortunately she was enamoured with Reagan.

Listen to the call when Reagan phoned her to retrospectively let her know he had undertaken military action in a UK territory (if I recall) without prior notice and she sounds like a fawning Aunt, not like the Iron Lady.

Alas, her policies, widely viewed as successful at the time, did more damage and achieved very little in this country.

 

[Red in STL]

Unfortunately she was enamoured with Reagan.

Listen to the call when Reagan phoned her to retrospectively let her know he had undertaken military action in a UK territory (if I recall) without prior notice and she sounds like a fawning Aunt, not like the Iron Lady.

Alas, her policies, widely viewed as successful at the time, did more damage and achieved very little in this country.

I'd argue that some of her policies did work, not necessarily for the benefit of most of us though, the greed is good attitude is still with us and if the 1970's unions were still around you'd be sitting in the dark with zero services because they'd all be out on strike, and you'd not be worrying about your mortgage because you wouldn't have been able to get one that big in the first place

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

I'd argue that some of her policies did work, not necessarily for the benefit of most of us though, the greed is good attitude is still with us and if the 1970's unions were still around you'd be sitting in the dark with zero services because they'd all be out on strike, and you'd not be worrying about your mortgage because you wouldn't have been able to get one that big in the first place

The history of three days weeks is massively over played.

 

[Red in STL]

The history of three days weeks is massively over played.

That wasn't her and in what way is it massively overplayed?

I was a kid at the time, was great that we didn't have to go to school everyday but cold baths and no TV wasn't fun

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

I'd argue that some of her policies did work, not necessarily for the benefit of most of us though, the greed is good attitude is still with us and if the 1970's unions were still around you'd be sitting in the dark with zero services because they'd all be out on strike, and you'd not be worrying about your mortgage because you wouldn't have been able to get one that big in the first place

So… they absolutely did not work. Unless by ‘work’ you mean… reward the rich and fcuked the poor.

And yes, if the 70’s unions were around now they’d all have gone on strike because the soul of the country has been set aflame and they had means to stop exploitation.

I never quite understand the argument that mass unionisation is a bad thing. Happy, well paid, well treated people simply do not strike. There’s no appetite for it. Of course there are aggressive unions and union heads. But a completely unionised workforce would find healthy balances to marginalise those types. If doctors settled at 11% and nurses wanted 21%, they’d have no public support.

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

That wasn't her and in what way is it massively overplayed?

I was a kid at the time, was great that we didn't have to go to school everyday but cold baths and no TV wasn't fun

I know it wasn't her but Thatcher apologists point to the previous labour government and the winter of discontent to show how she improved the country.

My point is that this period is described as years when in reality it was a month

 

[CassiusClaymore]

That'll be what he signed all those dodgy PPE fast lane deals with then...

 

[Red in STL]

So… they absolutely did not work. Unless by ‘work’ you mean… reward the rich and fcuked the poor.

And yes, if the 70’s unions were around now they’d all have gone on strike because the soul of the country has been set aflame and they had means to stop exploitation.

I never quite understand the argument that mass unionisation is a bad thing. Happy, well paid, well treated people simply do not strike. There’s no appetite for it. Of course there are aggressive unions and union heads. But a completely unionised workforce would find healthy balances to marginalise those types. If doctors settled at 11% and nurses wanted 21%, they’d have no public support.

Mass unionisation wasn't and isn't an issue, but in the 70's it was mad, striking over tea breaks and the like was just idiocy, and that's what put Thatcher in power, people were fed up with rubbish on the streets and dead bodies piling up in the mortuaries

70's Union leaders and shop stewards were little more than rabble rousers in a lot of cases, it was about power over the establishment (the Government) not about the workers they represented

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

Mass unionisation wasn't and isn't an issue, but in the 70's it was mad, striking over tea breaks and the like was just idiocy, and that's what put Thatcher in power, people were fed up with rubbish on the streets and dead bodies piling up in the mortuaries

70's Union leaders and shop stewards were little more than rabble rousers in a lot of cases, it was about power over the establishment (the Government) not about the workers they represented

Yeah, fair. We’re at cross purposes. I saw daylight appear in the cracks of Thatchers coffin and grabbed the nail gun. Crisis averted. Bitch still dead.

 

[Red in STL]

I know it wasn't her but Thatcher apologists point to the previous labour government and the winter of discontent to show how she improved the country.

My point is that this period is described as years when in reality it was a month

It was 3 months actually and happened under a Tory PM, but it also sowed the seeds for what happened in the following years which ultimately ended up with the winter of discontent, there's a lot of myths about certain events, Thatcher is blamed for shutting down the mines yet Harold Wilson closed far more coal mines than she did for example - I however did raise a glass and would have danced on her grave if I'd been in the UK at the time

 

[Red in STL]

Yeah, fair. We’re at cross purposes. I saw daylight appear in the cracks of Thatchers coffin and grabbed the nail gun. Crisis averted. Bitch still dead.

You beat me to it

 

[calodo2003]

That'll be what he signed all those dodgy PPE fast lane deals with then...

This isn't the UK version of The Onion, is it? This actually is real breaking news?

 

[CassiusClaymore]

This isn't the UK version of The Onion, is it? This actually is real breaking news?

Sadly yes. There's a link to the guardian article in the tweet underneath.