Westminster Politics

Manifesto, yes. The important issues at the time and the stance each party takes on them. But I don’t align with ideas and principles of any political party, and I don’t buy into their dogma which is why I don’t consider myself ‘labour’ or ‘Tory’. Also my vote was for my local MP, who up to the last GE had done a great job for my town, rather than voting specifically for May or Johnson. I happen to think they both were rotten uninspiring candidates, and Truss was an absolute brain fart shitstorm of a leader.
So now you are voting for your local MP and not the party leader....

Labour to Lib Dem to Tory. I voted for May, and subsequently Boris as I couldn’t vote for anti-Semite Corbyn even though one or two of his policies were thought provoking.
 
You kept it didn't you
Sprawled it over his coffin so everyone could see what kind of dirty bastard he was. It's what he would've wanted.
 
Labour to Lib Dem to Tory. I voted for May, and subsequently Boris as I couldn’t vote for anti-Semite Corbyn even though one or two of his policies were thought provoking.

Funnily I have done the reverse in my voting history.

Voted Tory in a Labour safe seat in protest at 72 day detention, then Lib Dem, and voted Labour ever since they have been out of power.

If you voted for the Tories post austerity, you are a Tory
 
Out of interest (and I'm not really interested in joining the pile on) what do you think makes someone a Tory?

Conservative mentality - is primarily a belief in ...'Self first, self last, and if there is anything left over, self again...' and unfortunately deep down there is a bit of this mentality in all of us. Which is why the Tories really do believe they are the 'natural party' of Government.
 
What the feck is he on about?
Haven't you ever gone to the dentist needing a filling but spoken about your childhood trauma instead? Because if you haven't, you're missing out.
 
Presumably, cheaper people like nurses and hygienists take on more of the work the dentist currently does. This assumes that there are plenty of these people around, which I doubt.
I had a filing last week the hygienist done it, still costs £80 whoever does it though!
 
I get the benefits of privatisation. I don't understand privatisation without competition, which is what we see in water and in rail. How does that make sense even to privatisations most ardent supporter?
 
I get the benefits of privatisation. I don't understand privatisation without competition, which is what we see in water and in rail. How does that make sense even to privatisations most ardent supporter?

Exactly right. Obviously the government doesn't need to be in charge of random luxury markets, but they should be giving an option or support as needed with necessary but competitive things, and absolutely should be the ones providing necessities where it's a monopoly
 
Exactly right. Obviously the government doesn't need to be in charge of random luxury markets, but they should be giving an option or support as needed with necessary but competitive things, and absolutely should be the ones providing necessities where it's a monopoly

We should be choosing who we travel with based on price, reliability, quality of service etc.

Companies would compete for our patronage. Would drive fares down.
 
I voted for Cameron, May and Johnson, mainly because I couldn’t bring myself to vote for Jezza or the creature comfort Wallace and Gromit guy before him. Previously I voted for Blair, and for Nick Clegg because I thought the country needed a change from the old red or blue. I can’t imagine Sunak will get my vote, but I don’t see Starmer getting his house in order either so who knows?!!
Labour to Lib Dem to Tory. I voted for May, and subsequently Boris as I couldn’t vote for anti-Semite Corbyn even though one or two of his policies were thought provoking.

Least surprising revelation, ever.
 
I get the benefits of privatisation. I don't understand privatisation without competition, which is what we see in water and in rail. How does that make sense even to privatisations most ardent supporter?
It doesn't because privatisation was never actually about competition or free market efficiency, that was the spin put on it for the electorate.

Privatisation was a hundred percent about raising money for the treasury, and for proof of that look at the railways, inherently requiring a degree of public funding but carved up in a ludicrous manner to provide a way of selling part whilst the remaining parts paid for it ever after.

If the money raised by privatisation, and north sea oil, had been invested for the future it might have made sense, but it wasn't, the money was spunked on tax cuts to buy votes, and mostly tax cuts for the well-off at that. All gone.
 
It doesn't because privatisation was never actually about competition or free market efficiency, that was the spin put on it for the electorate.

Privatisation was a hundred percent about raising money for the treasury, and for proof of that look at the railways, inherently requiring a degree of public funding but carved up in a ludicrous manner to provide a way of selling part whilst the remaining parts paid for it ever after.

If the money raised by privatisation, and north sea oil, had been invested for the future it might have made sense, but it wasn't, the money was spunked on tax cuts to buy votes, and mostly tax cuts for the well-off at that. All gone.

This is a fair analysis.
Virtually all Governments, at least in my lifetime, have used assets that effectively (for the most) belong to the nation, to raise money for the exchequer or to move debt of their books, or for other less worthy/ understandable reasons. Whether through privatisation, or the selling off gold reserves, or national treasures, etc. Usually it is to buy-off voters around the time of GE's, or to make other investments they (generally) don't want the public to know about, or more specifically to understand. With 5 to 10 years the most likely period of office for any government, its probably just about understandable. Very rarely have such receipts from such disposals been used to build for the future.

Storage and supply of water is a good example of missed opportunity. My grandfather told me about a plan to establish national grid (linking of reservoirs) for storage and supply was first conceived around the early 1900's, a outline project cost at the time would have been £3-5 hundred thousand pounds, but war in Europe was looming and it got put back on the shelf; it was apparently considered again (same plan) in the early 1930's the price now around £3M, but again war was looming and it went back again to the shelf. It was last looked at (so I am told) in the mid-seventies.it was then priced (same plan) £300m.... goodness knows what it would cost now, but everyone knows its needed, now and for the future, more than ever.
 
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It doesn't because privatisation was never actually about competition or free market efficiency, that was the spin put on it for the electorate.

Privatisation was a hundred percent about raising money for the treasury, and for proof of that look at the railways, inherently requiring a degree of public funding but carved up in a ludicrous manner to provide a way of selling part whilst the remaining parts paid for it ever after.

If the money raised by privatisation, and north sea oil, had been invested for the future it might have made sense, but it wasn't, the money was spunked on tax cuts to buy votes, and mostly tax cuts for the well-off at that. All gone.
And for how it could have been you only need to look at Norway
 
Laura so much more aggressive in her questioning of Pritchard compared to the person who is actually in charge of the overall decision making within the health service.....
 
What a surprise. How she still gets away with what she does is beyond me.

Ridiculous. What would you say to the parents of this 4 year old child who are having to wait 45-60 weeks for an appointment for their child? What would you say? What would you say?

A very good question.

Asked to the chief executive....but not the health secretary. Great stuff.
 
...they are a bunch of fecking racists and xenophobes and know many of their voters are too.
I guess they think they can replace the foreign care workers with prison wardens to do the job in the same way sunak thinks therapists can do dentist work
 
Because...
Because they can lie about wanting to invest in training British people to do the work and making sure the pay for the work is good enough to attract them.

Complete bollocks of course - no way do they want to put up taxes to fund care homes. They'll also claim that they are horrified that people have to sell the family home to pay for care.

In reality, it's just racist nonsense designed to feed a Daily Mail headline. The trouble is it still finds an audience and that means Labour getting asked stupid questions like how many more immigrants do you want and wrapping it up with "don't you want better pay for careworkers?"

File it under, "we don't need seasonal workers in agriculture - only people who have no faith in Britain think we can't pick our own food" and "we don't need doctors and dentists - we've got Google and a pair of pliers."