Mauricio Amadaeus Pochettino | Chelsea sack watch

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Wow,

That's an incredible outlook :lol:

Thanks for that link, has definitely given me a chuckle.
7 years on and he's still relentlessly making a fool of himself simping for a professional football manager. If he's not somehow making a living out of this it's actually incredibly sad.
 
@Champ Just a reminder that when Claudio Ranieri was almost certain to be voted manager of the year for the 15/16 season, the almost unanimous reaction was that it would be the most justified MOTY in history. You know, the same Ranieri who led relegation favourites Leicester to the Premiership title.

I say almost unanimous because there was one dissenter to this pernicious narrative who was brave enough to point out that the manager of another team was more deserving due to his team having more favourable possession stats than Leicester.....or something.

Post 123 right to the very end of the thread is a remarkable insight into a guy who just sees the game differently to us mere mortals.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/claudio-ranieri-wins-pl-title-with-leicester.410839/page-4
Wow, no one can say he hasn't been consistent with his fanboism
 
Spurs will no longer be a top club anymore if they don't get back that identity they had under Pochettino. Top club status doesn't remain if you are not consistently challenging for top honors. You can't say Arsenal during poch era was a top club, while spurs wasn't. At the moment that status of spurs being a top club is deteriorating and I doubt they would even be considered for an European super league like they were before because of the poch era.
Its hard not to be a top club when you're not a top club.
 
The average for what was much higher?
They were literally there or thereabouts for top 4 every year for about 10 years before he took over, only once did they actully amass a points total that seriously made them title challengers under him.



And second in a one horse race.
League position in the same time span. In the poch era and pre the poch era. It is without doubt that Spurs had a higher averaged finished in that era. Not sure how this is even debatable.

It's alright to challenge for trophies, but to become a top club you have to win something. Poch and Spurs didn't.
To be a top club has more factors than just winning things. That is a simplistic way of looking at things. The other factors such as revenue generated, fans attendance, club prestige, consistent challenge for high honors, ability to lure top minds and talent are some other factors that are considered rather than just the elementary school thinking of just winning trophies.
Interesting to read the other responses you've been getting regarding your outlandish and frankly hilarious claims. :lol:

I'd say Chelsea's squad is better than Liverpool's, and is better than Arsenal's, first 11 maybe not, but squad as a whole is better for me.
Will be a big ask for him to get them playing straight away given the season they've just had, but he really should be top four at least given the extra time he'll have to work with them on the training ground.
Chelsea squad unless they add some very talented individuals is not significantly better than Arsenal. You have to go by player form, not just name. Chelsea doesn't even have a striker that is good as balogun or nkeither unless jackson explode next season. Chelsea midfield with Caceido is as good as Arsenal and the only thing Chelsea has better is their fullback and maybe centerback with Colwill added. Chelsea and Liverpool squad is somewhat the same, I wouldn't say Chelsea is better than Liverpool. When you have all these teams with better squad, top four is a big ask, but I can see poch achieving it if given the right players this summer.

@Champ Just a reminder that when Claudio Ranieri was almost certain to be voted manager of the year for the 15/16 season, the almost unanimous reaction was that it would be the most justified MOTY in history. You know, the same Ranieri who led relegation favourites Leicester to the Premiership title.



I say almost unanimous because there was one dissenter to this pernicious narrative who was brave enough to point out that the manager of another team was more deserving due to his team having more favourable possession stats than Leicester.....or something.



Post 123 right to the very end of the thread is a remarkable insight into a guy who just sees the game differently to us mere mortals.



https://www.redcafe.net/threads/claudio-ranieri-wins-pl-title-with-leicester.410839/page-4

I Still believe that. Spurs was the better team in almost every statistical reports. Look at where Ranieri is now and where leceister is now compared to poch and spurs. That season was an anomaly. You have to do better, barely anyone has proven me wrong on here.
 
I Still believe that. Spurs was the better team in almost every statistical reports. Look at where Ranieri is now and where leceister is now compared to poch and spurs. That season was an anomaly. You have to do better, barely anyone has proven me wrong on here.
You still haven't figured out that it was a manager of the year award? What relevance has prior or subsequent managerial performance got to do with it? If it was an award based on who the best manager was as opposed to who put in the best managerial performance over that season, then SAF would have won it every year for over a quarter of a century.
 
You still haven't figured out that it was a manager of the year award? What relevance has prior or subsequent managerial performance got to do with it? If it was an award based on who the best manager was as opposed to who put in the best managerial performance over that season, then SAF would have won it every year for over a quarter of a century.
Subsequent managerial performance confirms that such a season was an anomaly. If Ranieri was some type of genius that was the main reason that really helped leceister achieve those outcomes, he would have gone on to bigger jobs and show consistency in his performance at a top level. But the season after, he was sacked and no other top clubs even looked twice at him, which points to the fact that the manager of the year that season should have gone to a manager that actually was the primary cause of his team performance that season. It is a good metric to justify whether the award was rightly given to the right manager.
 
Subsequent managerial performance confirms that such a season was an anomaly. If Ranieri was some type of genius that was the main reason that really helped leceister achieve those outcomes, he would have gone on to bigger jobs and show consistency in his performance at a top level. But the season after, he was sacked and no other top clubs even looked twice at him, which points to the fact that the manager of the year that season should have gone to a manager that actually was the primary cause of his team performance that season. It is a good metric to justify whether the award was rightly given to the right manager.

Well he still has more relevant titles than Mauricio Pochettino so even if I had to vote who has been the better manager in the last ten years, Ranieri still gets it for me !
 
Subsequent managerial performance confirms that such a season was an anomaly. If Ranieri was some type of genius that was the main reason that really helped leceister achieve those outcomes, he would have gone on to bigger jobs and show consistency in his performance at a top level. But the season after, he was sacked and no other top clubs even looked twice at him, which points to the fact that the manager of the year that season should have gone to a manager that actually was the primary cause of his team performance that season. It is a good metric to justify whether the award was rightly given to the right manager.
Nobody has any clue how much impact a manager has on team performance. What I do know is that if Ranieri did absolutely nothing and his players just sort of figured it all out themselves.....then he deserved manager of the year award because that was clearly an excellent managerial decision.

Also Spurs finished third and Arsenal had very sexy possession metrics as well, so presumably if Ranieri didn't earn it, Wenger should have won it.
 
League position in the same time span. In the poch era and pre the poch era. It is without doubt that Spurs had a higher averaged finished in that era. Not sure how this is even debatable.


To be a top club has more factors than just winning things. That is a simplistic way of looking at things. The other factors such as revenue generated, fans attendance, club prestige, consistent challenge for high honors, ability to lure top minds and talent are some other factors that are considered rather than just the elementary school thinking of just winning trophies.

Chelsea squad unless they add some very talented individuals is not significantly better than Arsenal. You have to go by player form, not just name. Chelsea doesn't even have a striker that is good as balogun or nkeither unless jackson explode next season. Chelsea midfield with Caceido is as good as Arsenal and the only thing Chelsea has better is their fullback and maybe centerback with Colwill added. Chelsea and Liverpool squad is somewhat the same, I wouldn't say Chelsea is better than Liverpool. When you have all these teams with better squad, top four is a big ask, but I can see poch achieving it if given the right players this summer.



I Still believe that. Spurs was the better team in almost every statistical reports. Look at where Ranieri is now and where leceister is now compared to poch and spurs. That season was an anomaly. You have to do better, barely anyone has proven me wrong on here.
So the manager who won the league wasn't better than the one who came third with a bigger transfer budget, bigger names and much much bigger wage budget??

I'm going to be honest here and say that is absolutely bat crazy thinking!
Whether it's an anomaly or not doesn't matter, Ranieri achieved what people thought was impossible, from relegation battlers to premiership champions in one season.
Something Poch can only dream off.

The funny thing is , Leicester have still won more trophies than Spurs in the last few years despite their relegation this season!

But you do you, because quite frankly it's hilarious and cheers me up no end to read.
 
So the manager who won the league wasn't better than the one who came third with a bigger transfer budget, bigger names and much much bigger wage budget??

I'm going to be honest here and say that is absolutely bat crazy thinking!
Whether it's an anomaly or not doesn't matter, Ranieri achieved what people thought was impossible, from relegation battlers to premiership champions in one season.
Something Poch can only dream off.

The funny thing is , Leicester have still won more trophies than Spurs in the last few years despite their relegation this season!

But you do you, because quite frankly it's hilarious and cheers me up no end to read.
Why are you responding to him? He's either doing this as a weird troll fishing for reactions or he's genuinely mentally ill. In both cases, engaging with him only cements the issue.

To be fair I don't get how he hasn't been banned through all those years, as his behavior disrupts and prevents any meaningful conversation and this is seemingly obvious to everyone in those threads. Maybe there's a joke going straight over my head here.
 
Why are you responding to him? He's either doing this as a weird troll fishing for reactions or he's genuinely mentally ill. In both cases, engaging with him only cements the issue.

To be fair I don't get how he hasn't been banned through all those years, as his behavior disrupts and prevents any meaningful conversation and this is seemingly obvious to everyone in those threads. Maybe there's a joke going straight over my head here.
I respond because it makes me laugh what he comes out with.

It's obviously a poster on a wum, I'm happy to engage as it's comedy gold.

Or at least I hope it is a troll, if the poster is genuine then I do hope they seek help quickly.
 
Nobody has any clue how much impact a manager has on team performance. What I do know is that if Ranieri did absolutely nothing and his players just sort of figured it all out themselves.....then he deserved manager of the year award because that was clearly an excellent managerial decision.

Also Spurs finished third and Arsenal had very sexy possession metrics as well, so presumably if Ranieri didn't earn it, Wenger should have won it.
That isn't how manager of the year award should be delegated. My metrics is more analytical and less elementary than the criteria of league positions. You can't convince me to change my perspective to one so basic as yours. Plus it isnt just possession metrics, most goals, less goal conceded, goal differences, xg, and so on are all considered in my assessment of the team and managerial performance.
So the manager who won the league wasn't better than the one who came third with a bigger transfer budget, bigger names and much much bigger wage budget??

I'm going to be honest here and say that is absolutely bat crazy thinking!
Whether it's an anomaly or not doesn't matter, Ranieri achieved what people thought was impossible, from relegation battlers to premiership champions in one season.
Something Poch can only dream off.

The funny thing is , Leicester have still won more trophies than Spurs in the last few years despite their relegation this season!

But you do you, because quite frankly it's hilarious and cheers me up no end to read.
It is like saying Inzaghi who got inter to the Champ league finals was a better manager than ancellotti or Spalletti, when in reality a lot of other factors needs to be considered rather than just the factors you mentioned. You and alot of fans on here see things in black and white, I see things at a way more advanced level. I m not doubting Ranieri accomplishments that season, but I rather not follow the sheep's. I rather see which manager team perform best in all statistical metrics throughout the season and which manager has had and continued to have an impact to the team's success. I do not hear anyone saying that leceister lost the identity they had under Ranieri similiar to the way some spurs player and pundits says that about spurs and where they are now.

It is hilarious for me to read your post as well and you still have not acknowledged you shifting the goal post about a team challenging for top honors to be considered a top team. I bolded your quote where you said that.
 
Poch is not a top manager and Tottenham are not a top team. They're each second tier at the moment, they might achieve top status, but they aren't there yet.

At least Poch is has moved on to a club that has claim of being a top club, Tottenham are floundering. At best they flatter to deceive and scrap top 4, but, "it's Tottenham"
 
That isn't how manager of the year award should be delegated. My metrics is more analytical and less elementary than the criteria of league positions. You can't convince me to change my perspective to one so basic as yours. Plus it isnt just possession metrics, most goals, less goal conceded, goal differences, xg, and so on are all considered in my assessment of the team and managerial performance.

It is like saying Inzaghi who got inter to the Champ league finals was a better manager than ancellotti or Spalletti, when in reality a lot of other factors needs to be considered rather than just the factors you mentioned. You and alot of fans on here see things in black and white, I see things at a way more advanced level. I m not doubting Ranieri accomplishments that season, but I rather not follow the sheep's. I rather see which manager team perform best in all statistical metrics throughout the season and which manager has had and continued to have an impact to the team's success. I do not hear anyone saying that leceister lost the identity they had under Ranieri similiar to the way some spurs player and pundits says that about spurs and where they are now.

It is hilarious for me to read your post as well and you still have not acknowledged you shifting the goal post about a team challenging for top honors to be considered a top team. I bolded your quote where you said that.
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A manager getting to the final is different from a manager taking a relegation favourite to the league title, I know that's difficult for your superior intellect to comprehend.

What good is being top on statistical merits if it wins you nothing? Do Leicester care that they only had 40% possession on average? Doubt it when their polishing their league trophy!

Spurs had one season of challenging for top honours, when they got through to the CL final, other than that they never really sustained any other challenge. So no goal post shifting, just Rafa like words of fact my Poch loving friend. Again, I know you can't face being wrong all the time, but alas it's kind of true.

Just face it, your feeble attempt at trolling is swiftly running out of steam.

Anyhow, this has derailed the thread enough, carry on doing you.
 
:lol:
A manager getting to the final is different from a manager taking a relegation favourite to the league title, I know that's difficult for your superior intellect to comprehend.

What good is being top on statistical merits if it wins you nothing? Do Leicester care that they only had 40% possession on average? Doubt it when their polishing their league trophy!

Spurs had one season of challenging for top honours, when they got through to the CL final, other than that they never really sustained any other challenge. So no goal post shifting, just Rafa like words of fact my Poch loving friend. Again, I know you can't face being wrong all the time, but alas it's kind of true.

Just face it, your feeble attempt at trolling is swiftly running out of steam.

Anyhow, this has derailed the thread enough, carry on doing you.
Statstical trophy trumps actual EPL trophy, haven't you heard?
 
:lol:
A manager getting to the final is different from a manager taking a relegation favourite to the league title, I know that's difficult for your superior intellect to comprehend.

What good is being top on statistical merits if it wins you nothing? Do Leicester care that they only had 40% possession on average? Doubt it when their polishing their league trophy!

Spurs had one season of challenging for top honours, when they got through to the CL final, other than that they never really sustained any other challenge. So no goal post shifting, just Rafa like words of fact my Poch loving friend. Again, I know you can't face being wrong all the time, but alas it's kind of true.

Just face it, your feeble attempt at trolling is swiftly running out of steam.

Anyhow, this has derailed the thread enough, carry on doing you.
A manager getting a team that wasn't favorite to get to the final is similiar to a manager that wasn't favorite to win the league to win the league. People never expected such an event to happen, thus the similarity. Even though leceister odds of winning was much smaller than inter, they both showcase a juxtaposition of these two teams achieving unlikely scenarios.

Being top on statistical merits shows a more in-depth picture of what really went on that season, rather than just looking at the league standing.

They challenged for the champion league, premier league titles and multiple domestic cup. Those are example of them challenging for top honors, which you disregarded before.

Not sure why that other poster brought up something in the past. I know people are desperate to prove me wrong, but that should have been taken to another thread. This thread wasn't derailed until you and few other poster went off topic.
 
Why are you responding to him? He's either doing this as a weird troll fishing for reactions or he's genuinely mentally ill. In both cases, engaging with him only cements the issue.

To be fair I don't get how he hasn't been banned through all those years, as his behavior disrupts and prevents any meaningful conversation and this is seemingly obvious to everyone in those threads. Maybe there's a joke going straight over my head here.
He’s not a troll. He genuinely adores Pochettino.
 
Why are you responding to him? He's either doing this as a weird troll fishing for reactions or he's genuinely mentally ill. In both cases, engaging with him only cements the issue.

To be fair I don't get how he hasn't been banned through all those years, as his behavior disrupts and prevents any meaningful conversation and this is seemingly obvious to everyone in those threads. Maybe there's a joke going straight over my head here.
Agreed. I was reading a few posts that were made today and genuinely thought that I had read those a week ago. That WUM is just repeating their bs and posters just keep taking the bait. Even the wummery is factually wrong on every level.
 
That's probably the hardest part to understand about this guy imo. Think we should all leave him alone for the wellbeing of his and also our mental health.
I think this is the best decision.
 
Will actually be quite interesting to see how it works out for him at Chelsea, many United fans wanted him after Ole for sure i know i did and the club seems a bit of a poisoned chalice with Boehly would have never thought Potter would suck so bad though he did seem somewhat of a yes man.
 
I'd say Chelsea's squad is better than Liverpool's, and is better than Arsenal's, first 11 maybe not, but squad as a whole is better for me.
Will be a big ask for him to get them playing straight away given the season they've just had, but he really should be top four at least given the extra time he'll have to work with them on the training ground.

I'd say you're being a bit generous here.

The team definitely have a ton of potential and as a Chelsea fan I'm excited to see what will come of it but as things stand, not counting a few players who will 100% be gone by the time the season starts, the whole fecking squad have scored a grand total of 36 league goals for us between the lot of them and the vast majority of those goals (25) have come from the defenders over the last 3-4 seasons. And aside from some of the defensive players there's nobody in the team who've shown even the slightest bit of good form in a Chelsea shirt ever, even though many of them have shown their class elsewhere.

There's still a ton of uncertainty about how well things will work out. It may click right away, it might take a bit of time building some team chemistry or it might simply never happen with this bunch. Either way I'm not buying the claim that our squad is better than Arsenal's who just finished on 84 points and who have since then added (or just about to add) around £250M worth of players in there.
 
@Champ Just a reminder that when Claudio Ranieri was almost certain to be voted manager of the year for the 15/16 season, the almost unanimous reaction was that it would be the most justified MOTY in history. You know, the same Ranieri who led relegation favourites Leicester to the Premiership title.

I say almost unanimous because there was one dissenter to this pernicious narrative who was brave enough to point out that the manager of another team was more deserving due to his team having more favourable possession stats than Leicester.....or something.

Post 123 right to the very end of the thread is a remarkable insight into a guy who just sees the game differently to us mere mortals.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/claudio-ranieri-wins-pl-title-with-leicester.410839/page-4

Wow. It’s actually amazing how long this has been going on for.

There have been many a strange obsession on here but this one is by far the strangest.
 
I'm convinced it's some kind of avant garde performance piece that will end up winning the Turner prize many years from now.
 
That isn't how manager of the year award should be delegated. My metrics is more analytical and less elementary than the criteria of league positions. You can't convince me to change my perspective to one so basic as yours. Plus it isnt just possession metrics, most goals, less goal conceded, goal differences, xg, and so on are all considered in my assessment of the team and managerial performance.

Metric 1: Does the manager's first name start with "M" and last name rhyme with "Blotchettinno"?
Metric 2: Is the manager from a South American country that isn't Brazil, Colombia, Peru, Venezuela, Chile, Ecuador, Bolivia, Paraguay, Uruguay, Guyana, or Suriname?
Metric 3: Number of photos of the manager on the definitely normal and totally not creepy altar in the corner of my bedroom
 
I'd say you're being a bit generous here.

The team definitely have a ton of potential and as a Chelsea fan I'm excited to see what will come of it but as things stand, not counting a few players who will 100% be gone by the time the season starts, the whole fecking squad have scored a grand total of 36 league goals for us between the lot of them and the vast majority of those goals (25) have come from the defenders over the last 3-4 seasons. And aside from some of the defensive players there's nobody in the team who've shown even the slightest bit of good form in a Chelsea shirt ever, even though many of them have shown their class elsewhere.

There's still a ton of uncertainty about how well things will work out. It may click right away, it might take a bit of time building some team chemistry or it might simply never happen with this bunch. Either way I'm not buying the claim that our squad is better than Arsenal's who just finished on 84 points and who have since then added (or just about to add) around £250M worth of players in there.
I think your squad as a whole is better than Arsenal's, maybe not the first 11 though, same with Liverpools.

Last season was a massive underperformance from Chelsea, the squad you have really should be top four easily in my opinion. I'd expect Poch to have a similar season to Uniteds, whereby top four is achieved and possibly a domestic trophy.

With plenty of time between games to work on the training ground with the squad I'd say this is the minimum we should expect from Chelsea.
 
That's MAGA level stuff :lol:

Nah, more seriously, that sentence in particular is a sign he's on the wum and putting up a performance, it's far too preposterous to be genuine.

I’m not sure. There used to be this guy that called him a football professor and described the way he saw things as similar to that, and I think he was serious as well
 
I’m not sure. There used to be this guy that called him a football professor and described the way he saw things as similar to that, and I think he was serious as well
Show us the post. :D
 
So the manager who won the league wasn't better than the one who came third with a bigger transfer budget, bigger names and much much bigger wage budget??

I'm going to be honest here and say that is absolutely bat crazy thinking!
Whether it's an anomaly or not doesn't matter, Ranieri achieved what people thought was impossible, from relegation battlers to premiership champions in one season.
Something Poch can only dream off.

The funny thing is , Leicester have still won more trophies than Spurs in the last few years despite their relegation this season!

But you do you, because quite frankly it's hilarious and cheers me up no end to read.
This still doesn't make him better than poch though, does it?
For the record, I don't neccessarily agree with amadeus opinions.
 
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