I think the Ricciardo thing is a trial to see if he's still "got it"
If he does I predict he'll be in the Red Bull after the summer break...
If he does I predict he'll be in the Red Bull after the summer break...
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de vries is what you get when you take a dutch driver and remove all the cheating.
De Vries was bad, so it's not surprise at all, but I wouldn't be surprised if Ricciardo is bad too, he was one of worst drivers on the grid last season too.
Yeah, be interesting to see if it was really down to the car not matching his style or if there was more to it.De Vries was bad, so it's not surprise at all, but I wouldn't be surprised if Ricciardo is bad too, he was one of worst drivers on the grid last season too.
I don't see RB moving out Perez considering the contract he's on till the end of 2024, and the money he brings in is far greater than Ricciardo. I think Ricciardo will move elsewhere in 2024, and the more likely scenario is Liam Lawson at AT with Tsunoda for 2024 with RB keeping the same line up as this year.
The one move that will be a bit left field will be Tsunoda & Aston Martin, if Honda continue to keep the trend of putting one of their own drivers in a car.
Regardless of whether they move Checo or not, this is pretty smart stuff imho. At minimum it puts Checo under a lot of subconscious pressure to improve quick or else. I don't see how he'll be able to take this any other way.
Does it piss anyone else off that Stroll is just taking up a seat?
A bit but not really, he's not the worst driver on the grid, I just wish he wasn't in a half decent team.
Yes, but there have been pay drivers in F1 for decades. Its not that much different. The sport has bigger problems than that.
He isn't that bad driver as some make him to be, actually a team worker and seemingly solid behind the scene. The Aston doesn't seem to fit him as good as Fernando though.
Agree. Before this year he wasn’t as bad as others suggest.
He’s not the worst driver on the grid, and he’s actually quite good for a nepotistic driver (whose parent wasn’t a racing driver).
But he is a bottom third driver (and one of the least likeable drivers) in a top 3/4 car and there are certainly drivers that deserve his seat over him.
I dunno. He’s had 5ish seasons now and has barely done anything. Granted he’s had to deal with Perez, Vettel and Alonso as teammates which is a big challenge but I really doubt if he would have a seat without Daddy Stroll.
Not just 5 - this is his SEVENTH season! He has 15 more entries than Gasly, which is mind-blowing!
Personally I think he is up there with the worst drivers on the grid. Especially when it comes to awareness.
Yeah, after big dyck nyck is gone , I am not sure who is actually worse. Sarge is a rookie but he is definitely getting better (together with the car).
Williams have revealed the special Gulf Oil livery chosen by its fans that will adorn its cars at three races later this season.
Nice livery.
Toto Wolff says Mercedes has "no other choice" but to surrender to the whims of its 'diva 2.0' W14 and switch its development focus to its 2024 car.
Mercedes started its season with an evolution of its 2022 first iteration ground-effects car, one that it believed would perform better and especially more consistently than its troubled predecessor.
But the Brackley squad's hopes were dashed as soon as the first race in Bahrain, which sent its engineers back to the drawing board to conceive an upgrade package that would bring the car's aero characteristics closer to the designs of its rivals.
A new-spec W14 was rolled out at Monaco, and while there were clear improvements, as the team's podiums in Spain and in Canada demonstrated, a crucial lack of consistency remains embedded in the machine's basic design.
At Silverstone, Mercedes introduced a new front wing but the change had little impact on the team's relative performance, with George Russell and Lewis Hamilton only qualifying P6 and P7.
https://f1i.com/news/480678-mercede...Nts7hoxuLxlNOWXZ__FtbUl1KaWRFrJd_Skot9jFKgVH8
Mercedes started its season with an evolution of its 2022 first iteration ground-effects car, one that it believed would perform better and especially more consistently than its troubled predecessor.
But the Brackley squad's hopes were dashed as soon as the first race in Bahrain, which sent its engineers back to the drawing board to conceive an upgrade package that would bring the car's aero characteristics closer to the designs of its rivals.
A new-spec W14 was rolled out at Monaco, and while there were clear improvements, as the team's podiums in Spain and in Canada demonstrated, a crucial lack of consistency remains embedded in the machine's basic design.
At Silverstone, Mercedes introduced a new front wing but the change had little impact on the team's relative performance, with George Russell and Lewis Hamilton only qualifying P6 and P7.
https://f1i.com/news/480678-mercede...Nts7hoxuLxlNOWXZ__FtbUl1KaWRFrJd_Skot9jFKgVH8
That's not really a surprise though, not many could match him.
Without his dad you'd probably find he would have stalled in F3 and ended up switching to something like GTEPro or DTM.
Stroll is a good F1 driver on an empty track.
Just an idiot who cant use his mirrors and shits himself in wheel to wheel.
Just an idiot who cant use his mirrors and shits himself in wheel to wheel.
I don’t think this makes any difference to Perez if I’m honest, he still has a contract, and recognises that his qualifying performance needs improving to get a better race result. Arguably Ricciardo in an AT now means less pressure as there’s no one going to jump in his Red Bull seat, as Lawson isn’t ready to go to AT yet.
Red Bull are still in the best situation of Max winning WDC and them winning the constructors. There’s no issue that Red Bull have from what I can see.
Contract means nothing. Ferrari had kimi under contract in his first stint with them and dropped him for someone (cant remember who), they still paid him and he spend the year doing other stuffa way from F1.
Unless perez starts following max onto the podium on a regular basis, hes gone.
So are dozens of other drivers competing in lower series.
José Vicente de los Mozos, the president of the executive committee of the IFEMA fairgrounds and convention centre located in Madrid believes an F1 street race in the vicinity of the site is set to become a reality.
Formula 1's global success continues to spur interest from venues and potential race promoters from around the world.
A year ago, the city of Madrid informed Formula One Management that it was committed to bringing Grand Prix racing to the streets of the capital of Spain at some point in the future.
https://f1i.com/news/480801-madrids...yCHvXtbhOBgJQBNXQPO8NoW6qTZID25LA6kF45cnFsRjg
Formula 1's global success continues to spur interest from venues and potential race promoters from around the world.
A year ago, the city of Madrid informed Formula One Management that it was committed to bringing Grand Prix racing to the streets of the capital of Spain at some point in the future.
https://f1i.com/news/480801-madrids...yCHvXtbhOBgJQBNXQPO8NoW6qTZID25LA6kF45cnFsRjg
Not more street circuits. Please.
Baking hot street circuit in a total dive. Yeah no thanks.
This is absolutely to put pressure on Perez. He's very lucky that max and the car are so much better than anyone else this season that Perez's performance is fairly irrelevant. If things get tighter then he will absolutely need to show he can support the team better than he is at the moment. If not he is certainly gone.
It gets worse, FIA want some sort of "grand slam" award for sprint races. Sigh
3 teams apparently in breach of the cost cap rules for 2022.
One of them better not be Red Bull again, as it will be carnage in F1 especially given their dominance this season.
https://www.planetf1.com/news/f1-rumours-three-2023-cost-cap-breaches/
One of them better not be Red Bull again, as it will be carnage in F1 especially given their dominance this season.
https://www.planetf1.com/news/f1-rumours-three-2023-cost-cap-breaches/
Will it matter? The penalty is almost nonexistent, the cap isn’t a real deterrent and it’s essentially an accounting exercise.
I think thats the point. Red Bulls cheating in previous years has given them such a huge advantage in every year since, they wouldn't think about doing it again anyway.
meh so 3 teams have breached the cost cap, unless they bring in tough penalties, it will happen more and more.
New qualifying format in Hungary
Just the hard in Q1, medium in Q2 and soft in Q3 if conditions stay dry.
If it rains then nothing changes.
Rain and Thunderstorms are expected Friday , but sun for Sat and Sunday
Just the hard in Q1, medium in Q2 and soft in Q3 if conditions stay dry.
If it rains then nothing changes.
Rain and Thunderstorms are expected Friday , but sun for Sat and Sunday
Pirelli has confirmed that Formula 1 will trial its 'Alternative Tyre Allocation' in qualifying during next weekend's Hungarian Grand Prix weekend.
The ATA format, which is part of the sport's sustainability efforts, will see teams use just one mandatory slick compound for each qualifying segment.
Furthermore, Pirelli has gone one step softer in its tyre selection compared to last year in Budapest.
Under the ATA rules, the number of tyre sets available for each car is reduced to 11, instead of the 13 available for a normal race weekend.
Each driver will have three sets of hard tyres, four sets of medium tyres and four sets of soft tyres.
The number of wet tyres remains the same: three sets of full wets and four sets of intermediates, with an extra set of intermediates authorised if it rains on Friday or adverse weather is predicted for Saturday.
"This year we have opted for a trio of softer compounds (C3, C4 and C5) compared to 2022, while a new tyre allocation for qualifying [known as ATA, or ‘Alternative Tyre Allocation’] will be tried out for the first time, with the obligation to use just the hard in Q1, medium in Q2 and soft in Q3 if conditions stay dry," explained Pirelli motorsport boss Mario Isola.
"Both these changes, at least on paper, should lead to a wider range of options, particularly in terms of strategy.
"The ATA also saves two sets of dry tyres compared to the traditional format (using 11 sets instead of 13) and it will be run again at the Italian Grand Prix in Monza.
"After that, the FIA, F1 and the teams will decide whether or not to adopt it for next season."
For race day, the most common strategy at the Hungaroring is a two-stopper, with a one-stopper occasionally preferred.
"Despite being a permanent track, the Hungaroring is not used very often and the asphalt conditions improve considerably during the weekend as the ideal racing line rubbers in,"
The ATA format, which is part of the sport's sustainability efforts, will see teams use just one mandatory slick compound for each qualifying segment.
Furthermore, Pirelli has gone one step softer in its tyre selection compared to last year in Budapest.
Under the ATA rules, the number of tyre sets available for each car is reduced to 11, instead of the 13 available for a normal race weekend.
Each driver will have three sets of hard tyres, four sets of medium tyres and four sets of soft tyres.
The number of wet tyres remains the same: three sets of full wets and four sets of intermediates, with an extra set of intermediates authorised if it rains on Friday or adverse weather is predicted for Saturday.
"This year we have opted for a trio of softer compounds (C3, C4 and C5) compared to 2022, while a new tyre allocation for qualifying [known as ATA, or ‘Alternative Tyre Allocation’] will be tried out for the first time, with the obligation to use just the hard in Q1, medium in Q2 and soft in Q3 if conditions stay dry," explained Pirelli motorsport boss Mario Isola.
"Both these changes, at least on paper, should lead to a wider range of options, particularly in terms of strategy.
"The ATA also saves two sets of dry tyres compared to the traditional format (using 11 sets instead of 13) and it will be run again at the Italian Grand Prix in Monza.
"After that, the FIA, F1 and the teams will decide whether or not to adopt it for next season."
For race day, the most common strategy at the Hungaroring is a two-stopper, with a one-stopper occasionally preferred.
"Despite being a permanent track, the Hungaroring is not used very often and the asphalt conditions improve considerably during the weekend as the ideal racing line rubbers in,"
Wouldn't surprise me considering over half the year that's now being reviewed had already past when they announced RB weren't in compliance IIRC so if they budgetted for 2022 the same as they did for 2021 they only had a few months to fix it but by that time they'd probably already spent most of it. That's the big issue with the way this system works. If you'd have to submit the paperwork in January and you know the outcome by say March you'd still have time to cut costs. That being said I hope I'm wrong. Horner did say they'd hired an army of accountants to make sure it didn't happen again (which apparently other teams already had). We'll see if they're any good
Wouldn't surprise me considering over half the year that's now being reviewed had already past when they announced RB weren't in compliance IIRC so if they budgetted for 2022 the same as they did for 2021 they only had a few months to fix it but by that time they'd probably already spent most of it. That's the big issue with the way this system works. If you'd have to submit the paperwork in January and you know the outcome by say March you'd still have time to cut costs. That being said I hope I'm wrong. Horner did say they'd hired an army of accountants to make sure it didn't happen again (which apparently other teams already had). We'll see if they're any good
Could be an issue when on a money saving exercise
It would be if those costs would fall under the capCould be an issue when on a money saving exercise
Domenicali wants the sanctions to be sporting i.e. points reduction. Now i am wondering if RB are one of the three....Wouldn't surprise me considering over half the year that's now being reviewed had already past when they announced RB weren't in compliance IIRC so if they budgetted for 2022 the same as they did for 2021 they only had a few months to fix it but by that time they'd probably already spent most of it. That's the big issue with the way this system works. If you'd have to submit the paperwork in January and you know the outcome by say March you'd still have time to cut costs. That being said I hope I'm wrong. Horner did say they'd hired an army of accountants to make sure it didn't happen again (which apparently other teams already had). We'll see if they're any good
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f...-sporting-sanctions-says-domenicali/10496768/
Not sure how I feel about that qualifying format.