I don't think that's a requirement by the owners. Getting Top 4, I suspect will suffice for the Kroenkes.
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I don't think that's a requirement by the owners. Getting Top 4, I suspect will suffice for the Kroenkes.
Who is Pep's assistant these days?
LVG's former assistant... Albert Stuivenberg
What is this overreaction? Based on 1 preseason game?
I agree. If he can keep us competitive and in the top 4 for a bit then I think they'll be satisfied enough, considering we've been out of the CL for 7 straight years. We really just can't be out of CL for so long again.
That being said, the Kroenkes have a great recent track record of their teams winning championships, with the Rams and Nuggets. I'm desperate for Arsenal to follow suit and I'm sure the Kroenkes are too.
He is Arteta's assistant. The question was about Pep's assistant. Funny thing is Guradiola is without an assistant manager right now. Enzo Maresca joined Leicester as their new manager and Rodolfo Borrell became sporting director of some MLS club.
Typical Arteta, always needing more time.
With the amount of money he has spent, the pressure is on this season.
Low-key I am absolute puzzled why so many of you are so salty towards Arteta? He seems such a nice dude and I like his approach.
They haven't even played the first game of the season yet, and the manager is already on the "next season" rhetoric.
Have you ever seen him on the sideline? Or the absolute cringefest from that Amazon documentary?
Yes to both and I like his style.
Think they may struggle a bit next season until they gel all the players together.
Nice?
He’s petulant and gets away with mocking refs.He will be afforded time unless things go majorly wrong and they are looking like relegation candidates.
If they have a poor season and finish outside the top 4 I think he'll keep his job but he'll be on thin ice.
Anyway, he's only lost a pre-season friendly
If they have a poor season and finish outside the top 4 I think he'll keep his job but he'll be on thin ice.
Anyway, he's only lost a pre-season friendly
He is very cringe to be fair, also there was always the debate of Arteta vs Solskjaer.
Don't you get it? He looks like a Lego.
All jokes aside, having to compete in multiple competitions this year is going to hurt Arsenal a lot.
Surely he has to do more than simply finish in the top four. He's spent over £600m, been at the club for a few seasons now, and just added a £105m player to what was, apparently, an already great team. He get's a bit of an easy ride this bloke.
You would have thought so wouldn't you? Don't think I've seen many teams and managers be praised so much for absolutely bottling a title like these lot did last season. He's now spent another £200m+ and added a £105m player to what was, so we were told, an already great team and the general sentiment seems to be "as long as he gets top four"
Talk about getting an easy ride.
Chelsea spent 600m last season alone. Arteta has spent a lot of money but it’s par for the course these days, he’s spent that money on assembling the youngest side side in the league, with a wage bill that has until now been significantly lower than at least 4 other clubs. He hasn’t pissed the money up the wall he’s transformed the squad from when he took over.
I’m not sure what you mean, even the biggest Arteta sceptic surely agrees that City will be favourites and it’s not giving Arteta an easy ride to acknowledge that fact?
Then I can't help you.
Never said he "pissed the money up the wall" and the comparison to Chelsea isn't a fair one because what they did was nonsense. He's spent his money well - that's why I'm saying more should now be expected of him. He's assembled a great squad for a massive amount of money and he's been there for a few seasons now. They are in no way comparable to Chelsea. You just chose the most basket case example.
He does get an easy ride, evidenced by how he was treated last season for bottling it. Which they did. Of course, City will still be favourites.
Just found out he made all the players train after. Reminds me of ten Hag making the players run after Brentford.
Lego ten Hag
Lego ten Hag
I didn’t say you did, I was pointing out that the money has been used to transform the side. When he took over they were in free fall and all over the place with an aging unbalanced squad with a bunch of players on big contracts. It was always going to cost a lot of money to get to this point. He challenged for the title last season so I don’t see how that’s not delivering.
And that’s one way to look at it, another way to look at it is that very few people expected them to challenge. So it’s fair to point out that they bottled the league at the end, while also acknowledging that overall it was a good season where they challenged for the title in a season no one thought they would.
Wtf. Not even seen if others have quoted you, but have got seen him on the sidelines?
Interesting you say that and I too found it cringe worthy at times. However in Declan Rice's first interview with us he actually cited the Amazon doco and Arteta being the big reason he joined. He talked about how Arteta came across really well as a manager, the psychological factors of working and improving players. Made me realise that what may come across as lame or OTT to us fans is actually inspiring for players. Guess that's why I'm not an athlete.
I'm sure if Arsenal kept Emery and let him spend 600m on his own players, he would have done a similar job.
Ole vs Arteta debate hangovers.
The players are mostly of a good age profile and won’t be short of suitors though, Havertz is the only real dodgy deal they made, so if they do sack him the new coach can easily work with what he has, or turnover enough of them for funds to play with.
Right, and it's fair to expect them to challenge for the league again, while also doing more in the same cup competitions they got bombed out of last year in order to bottle the league. Just don't get the need to give the bloke a pat on the head and a well done for trying, which seems to be the general sentiment around him.
Again, he gets an easy ride in comparison to others. Probably has a lot to do with the fact that Arenal have been under the radar for the most part of the last two decades or so, so I guess it's the default attitude towards them (and by extension, him). But they're with the big boys now when it comes to spending. And they should be treated as such.
I agree that the money has been used to transform the side, that's why I'm making the point that more should now be expected of him than simply finishing in 4th. I just took issue with the comparison to Chelsea because they are in no way comparable.
I don’t know, Emery is a very good manager so he may well have done, but I don’t really see the point in discussing a hypothetical like that when we can discuss what a manager has actually done at a club.
I’ve actually argued Arteta’s merits many times with you. The last time was last summer when you told me Arteta was a charlatan and a conman, and that you very much doubted he’d make top 4 for the 22/23 season and that he’d be sacked.
It’s honestly been the complete opposite situation. This thread from its inception has very much argued that he’s a fraud, shit etc and every summer he’s going to be sacked. Reading through it shows it’s full of poor predictions and bad takes.
I cant believe the reaction to the game, another indicator of why arsenal absolutely bottled the title. There were no terrible challenges at all, and youd argue the heavier ones were from them. I see media pieces, arsenal fans and even arteta to a degree going in on the narrative of arsenal needing protection or that they will be 'roughed up'. pure petulance from some of their players last night too it was all pretty embarrassing.
We're on a Man Utd forum - of course you're going to get that. I'm talking more generally, not strictly based on the opinions of this forum. I'm willing to acknowledge he's done a good job with Arsenal, but he also gets a way easier ride than some of the other big teams and managers. Again, they seem to fly under the radar due to them not being in the spotlight for so long. That's why you get this pat on the head, well done for trying sentiment we saw last season even though they absolutely fecked it with some truly awful results, all while binning off the cup competitions.
I think Rice will be a decent signing for them in the long run. Nothing truly special, but solid enough. The one I can't understand is Havertz. That's a truly bizarre signing for me.
Noone can convince me that heart and brain drawing was in any way inspiring to the players. He'd have to coach an under-7's side for that to work.
Well he's doing something right because 3 years ago we were a completely different side who looked absolutely lost. We were in freefall and looked like we'd drop out of the top half of the table. I hope he has more child-like drawings he can wow the players with.
Well he is Poundland Pep, while we have Lego Pep.