Rasmus Højlund | Manchester United Player | Shirt Nr 11
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Yes, those. Medical professionals at the club > random people on the internet
Maybe the “injury” is a smart ploy to not judge the lad right away
Would this not have been discussed during medical ? and just maybe the reason on delay in announcing him ? as some adjustment in deal was made with discussion with Atalanta ? I can't see the worry surely everyone is on top of this and not some in the livingroon on googlefootballmedic.loosetheplot
I agree. People can still comment on an internet forum though.
I hope people are not saying there is nothing to worry about with our CF cover because club said so… I mean professionals at the club > random people on the internet
People will believe anything these days it seems
This is a huge risk by the club. Understandable for a cheap player but on a £70 million signing?
Quality.
So a player has a minor injury which could potentially get worse if he doesn’t rest it properly, the same as any injury.
What’s the huge risk?
Same was talked about Haaland at Dortmund, do not overplay him in high pressure system and they didn't and he was fine.
You make it sound like he's moments away from being paralyzed..
He just needs to rest a bit, like any recovery from an injury so it doesn't get worse. The article massively sensationalised it so people like you would fall for it hook line and sinker
Process F.C
Nobody has got me hook line and sinker ffs. It’s a small injury that could become very serious. Imagine he takes a heavy knock or falls awkwardly. It’s a huge risk by the club.
Thats why he’s being rested? Then the injury will go away just like any other? Any player who is injured or not can take a heavy knock and be out for years. Every player is a risk, the post is nonsensical
He’ll be on the bench I reckon.
That's assuming the one game a week news is bollocks (hopefully).
Why is the post nonsensical? It’s been reported that more than one game a week could cause a serious injury. That’s surely very worrying? Look what happened with Rashford with a similar injury.
Personally I’d rather he played no part until he’s fully fit. It’s surely not worth taking the risk of losing him for months?
I don’t get your aggression.
That's my assumption exactly. Besides, I can't picture a more ideal setting than a medical for this to be flagged and treatment to be prepared (treatment being resting). If he were to start and pick up an uncertain injury in his first game for us, that'd be obviously be a cause for concern. But this has been identified before we signed him, and is considered by the professionals to be a minor injury/fitness issue with a straightforward remedy. They're not exactly going to take an approach of 'yeah it's a serious problem but let's just hope for the best' on a £60-70m investment.
Atlanta did not spot the injury so?
I've been getting sore fingers when I wake up. I've googled it and I'm either dying or my heart is packing up. You can't believe anything you google without knowing exact symptoms. It's pointless
Havertz plays for Arsenal though?
were fecked
Is there any insurance in place when a club buys an injured player? Like a 20% off or something.
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The suggestion seems to be that it emerged in pre-season this summer. The way I'm understanding it from what's been written and ETH's response is that it's not a serious injury and more a minor injury/fitness issue that simply needs to be sensibly managed. If we look back to the similar Rashford back issue, in his case the club may have been aware of it and disregarded the risk, causing harm, or it may have been unaware and the result was the same anyway after overplaying him.
In the case of Højlund, the club seems to have the luxury of identifying it before it becomes a serious issue, and is hopefully playing it safe to avoid a Rashford scenario.
It is obviously not serious as no way the club would sign off on a huge transfer fee for a crocked player. I just want some clarity on when he will be playing…is it two weeks, two months etc? If we go into the season without a fit CF, I think we’ll be fecked - we are incredibly inefficient in front of goal and pre season just confirmed nowt has changed in that regard.
We can’t afford to lose ground early on when it will not just be Arsenal, Us and Newcastle fighting for 2nd, 3rd and 4th again.
I’m already worried Wolves will just come and sit behind the ball whilst we become clueless after the intial opening 10 minutes of promise.
We can’t afford to lose ground early on when it will not just be Arsenal, Us and Newcastle fighting for 2nd, 3rd and 4th again.
I’m already worried Wolves will just come and sit behind the ball whilst we become clueless after the intial opening 10 minutes of promise.
From all accounts it seems to be, probably, around 3-6 weeks before you'll see him on the teamsheet
Add to that, no pre season, adjusting to a new league and the pressure of playing for a massive club, I feel like we are not seeing the best of this kid until the new year.
Really good...
That's not that serious then really.
He wouldn't be starting a game for three weeks anyhow judging by EtH's previous with players who haven't had a full pre season.
Three weeks out really isn't that much of an issue.
Wonder if we should consider signing a backup number 9 but don't think the club will
After the preseason I think we are going to rely on the changes in the overall system to reduce the need for an additional striker. Rashford and Sancho will be filling in from the current healthy options and I bet Martial slots back in as soon as he's ready. Hopefully that's enough for enough goals - we'll need all these to add goals this season even when Hojlund is fit and firing.
And yes there's the elephant in the room for where the team could see the goals coming from...
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Not ideal. Hopefully he'll be fine once he gets match fit.
Listening to an episode of the Double Pivot Podcast (an analytics-focused football podcast) about Hojlund from a few months ago where they broke down his stats profile.
They made the point that the typical pattern of development for top strikers is to begin their careers with high shot volumes and for that to almost linearly decline as they get older, with the striker typically getting better quality shots to compensate. So normally you're looking for high shot volumes from a young striker as you know they will likely decrease over time.
Whereas the question mark over Hojlund is that he is currently the opposite of that, a low shot production, high-xG per shot striker. Which means we're essentially betting on his shot volume increasing as he ages, against the normal trend of it decreasing. And while there's nothing to say that can't happen, it means his development path is less predictable than it was for players like Haaland, Kane, etc. because it would be a lot less common. Added to that, Atalanta play an unusual system which requires the striker to behave slightly differently than they would in other teams, so anyone buying him would have to apply good subjective judgment in terms of how his skillset will translate to their team.
However against those two concerns, they thought the rest of his profile was positive as he's generally good at everything else. Passing, dribbling, getting on the ball, actually adding value in general play when on the ball, being a good progressive pass receiver (i.e. a focal point up front), etc. Plus his obvious athleticism.
Comparing him to other strikers, they noted that while his basic underlying stats weren't as impressive as someone like Ferguson's due to being a few years older, he offered a broader range of skills than Ferguson or Balogun. And if someone bought him for what Juve played for Vlahovic (€70m + €10) they'd be a lot more positive about it than they were about Vlahovic, because Vlahovic had a more limited profile and was older at the time.
They made the point that the typical pattern of development for top strikers is to begin their careers with high shot volumes and for that to almost linearly decline as they get older, with the striker typically getting better quality shots to compensate. So normally you're looking for high shot volumes from a young striker as you know they will likely decrease over time.
Whereas the question mark over Hojlund is that he is currently the opposite of that, a low shot production, high-xG per shot striker. Which means we're essentially betting on his shot volume increasing as he ages, against the normal trend of it decreasing. And while there's nothing to say that can't happen, it means his development path is less predictable than it was for players like Haaland, Kane, etc. because it would be a lot less common. Added to that, Atalanta play an unusual system which requires the striker to behave slightly differently than they would in other teams, so anyone buying him would have to apply good subjective judgment in terms of how his skillset will translate to their team.
However against those two concerns, they thought the rest of his profile was positive as he's generally good at everything else. Passing, dribbling, getting on the ball, actually adding value in general play when on the ball, being a good progressive pass receiver (i.e. a focal point up front), etc. Plus his obvious athleticism.
Comparing him to other strikers, they noted that while his basic underlying stats weren't as impressive as someone like Ferguson's due to being a few years older, he offered a broader range of skills than Ferguson or Balogun. And if someone bought him for what Juve played for Vlahovic (€70m + €10) they'd be a lot more positive about it than they were about Vlahovic, because Vlahovic had a more limited profile and was older at the time.
Our front line is really exciting again for the first time in ages. Really talented high energy young players. I love it.
Yeah neither was the scaremongering demonstrated in that Daily Fail article earlier
This was found during his medical…?
Before Utd paid his fee?
Why the feck would you then pay £65m for him!?
If true, it’s fecking batshit.
Should’ve offered them 40m or walked away.
fecking 65m quid for a complete gamble player who you discover in the medical has a dodgy back.
I’m really hoping this isn’t true.
And before anyone wades in - I’m not criticising the lad himself, I know it’s not his fault.
Before Utd paid his fee?
Why the feck would you then pay £65m for him!?
If true, it’s fecking batshit.
Should’ve offered them 40m or walked away.
fecking 65m quid for a complete gamble player who you discover in the medical has a dodgy back.
I’m really hoping this isn’t true.
And before anyone wades in - I’m not criticising the lad himself, I know it’s not his fault.
We badly need some clarification on this,when will we finally get some luck with a striker
Thats why you shouldnt be playing with a trident.
If this is true - *if* - it isn’t ‘bad luck’.
Bad luck would be the lad getting a good start and then getting injured. Mainoo’s situation is bad luck.
If you’re in the middle of signing a completely unproven player for 65m quid and then discover he’s got a dodgy back before you sign him but it do it anyway, that isn’t ‘bad luck’.
Hopefully it’s just press bullshit.
Struggling to see just how much this is sensationalism and how much of this is truth.
The manager wanted him, so he's here now. We'll just have to hope that this is being blown out of proportion and that he's able to recover quickly. Let's just get the season started and see what happens.
The manager wanted him, so he's here now. We'll just have to hope that this is being blown out of proportion and that he's able to recover quickly. Let's just get the season started and see what happens.