Rasmus Højlund | Manchester United Player | Shirt Nr 11

Champ said:
In comparison to whom though? Does every striker show these consistent reduced shot ratios?
Haaland currently isn't, Callum Wilson isn't, Antonio isn't, Rashford isn't.

Every striker is different and will display different metrics.
To say he needs to take more shots is irrelevant, as in a team such as Atalanta who don't seem to favour taking risky shots in the past season. .that doesn't mean he won't when it comes to playing for United, again another reason that stats without context are rather meaningless.

We have seen from Hojlund so far that he does have a decent stike on him and has had shots from all different angles, so it stands to reason with a different tactical approach, rather than Gasperinis recent pragmatism, his shot output will change anyhow.
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Compared to the average, as seen in the graph I posted a few posts back. It doesn't mean every striker follows that pattern. Not least because some players (like Rashford for example) will take up different roles in the team at different periods of their career that impact their ability to produce shots. It just means that early shot volume peak is what's typical for strikers.

And in Haaland's case you can't say he isn't following that trend given it has shot volume peaking at around 22, Haaland's age last season. If he maintains or increases his shot volume over the next several seasons, then he's bucked that pattern.

Nobody is saying that Atalanta's style of play couldn't be a factor in his current shot volume, or that different players won't display different metrics, or that he won't increase that volume with United. All of that context is taken into account so is irrelevant to the point being made.

Which is that regardless of why his shot volume was what it was last season, it does need to increase over the coming seasons. And if you want him to be a genuinely top tier striker then the increase will have to be relatively significant. Because the more typical development for that profile of striker to already have higher shot volume at this point.

The hows and whys of his current stats don't matter, because we're not talking about that. All we're talking about is how his current stats profile will factually need to change for his production to hit that top tier. And the change will have to be an increase in shot volume.
 
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He’s an absolute tank. Hopefully in the years to come he can consistently be a decisive factor in the biggest games for us but for the season coming I’d take a flat track bully who can enable others and with slow steady progress in his game and understanding of the role the manager wants him to play. Literally anything is better than Martial and WW.
 


They keep posting him, i think they’re trying to make a point about the Mail article
 
I guess IF he progresses a little bit there is maybe a tiny chance he could make bench for Forest
 
Maagge said:
I wish people would leave him alone for a bit now.
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Unfortunately you know that isn't going to happen. The media will be as quick as they can to tear him down when he starts playing, he's gonna have to get used to this kind of attention quick. I hope he takes it all in his stride..
 
The Taurean said:
Think Neville has to be realistic and not keep pining for Kane. Seems to downplay Hojlund before he had a kick here.
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Standard English media behaviour.

They're clamouring for their great white hope to lead our line.
 
The Taurean said:
Think Neville has to be realistic and not keep pining for Kane. Seems to downplay Hojlund before he had a kick here.
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The media make it sound like we’re dumb for not offering £140m for a player that’s just turned 30 and has less than 12 months on his contract left, and acting like it’s pocket change for us :wenger:
 
Chairman Steve said:
The media make it sound like we’re dumb for not offering £140m for a player that’s just turned 30 and has less than 12 months on his contract left, and acting like it’s pocket change for us :wenger:
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Yeah think we have Newcastle like funds
 
sullydnl said:
Compared to the average, as seen in the graph I posted a few posts back. It doesn't mean every striker follows that pattern. Not least because some players (like Rashford for example) will take up different roles in the team at different periods of their career that impact their ability to produce shots. It just means that early shot volume peak is what's typical for strikers.

And in Haaland's case you can't say he isn't following that trend given it has shot volume peaking at around 22, Haaland's age last season. If he maintains or increases his shot volume over the next several seasons, then he's bucked that pattern.

Nobody is saying that Atalanta's style of play couldn't be a factor in his current shot volume, or that different players won't display different metrics, or that he won't increase that volume with United. All of that context is taken into account so is irrelevant to the point being made.

Which is that regardless of why his shot volume was what it was last season, it does need to increase over the coming seasons. And if you want him to be a genuinely top tier striker then the increase will have to be relatively significant. Because the more typical development for that profile of striker to already have higher shot volume at this point.

The hows and whys of his current stats don't matter, because we're not talking about that. All we're talking about is how his current stats profile will factually need to change for his production to hit that top tier. And the change will have to be an increase in shot volume.
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The bolded part is simply not true for every situation though.

He doesn't have to up his shot ratio if he is scoring as per his expected goals which he has been for the past two seasons.

What's the point in a striker having a shot twenty yards out where he has an easy pass instead, this is where stats have no context.

You can't just say he has to improve his shot ratio as that doesn't equate to every striker and every situation. It's far too simplistic.

The context here is where Hojlund plays, he very rarely moves from the middle during games, he is a focal point of attacks and will often drop deep to pick up the ball then move into the box to get on the end of through balls or crosses, he very rarely has shots from outside the box as he would rather score the easier goal, also he is very good in the air.

As far as I am concerned he will be utilised very similar in United colours, so his shot ratio doesn't need to improve as United on average create way more goalscoring chances than Atalanta per game, so by proxy his figures will naturally be higher anyhow across the board, assuming he has a positive impact of course.
 
Champ said:
The bolded part is simply not true for every situation though.

He doesn't have to up his shot ratio if he is scoring as per his expected goals which he has been for the past two seasons.

What's the point in a striker having a shot twenty yards out where he has an easy pass instead, this is where stats have no context.

You can't just say he has to improve his shot ratio as that doesn't equate to every striker and every situation. It's far too simplistic.

The context here is where Hojlund plays, he very rarely moves from the middle during games, he is a focal point of attacks and will often drop deep to pick up the ball then move into the box to get on the end of through balls or crosses, he very rarely has shots from outside the box as he would rather score the easier goal, also he is very good in the air.

As far as I am concerned he will be utilised very similar in United colours, so his shot ratio doesn't need to improve as United on average create way more goalscoring chances than Atalanta per game, so by proxy his figures will naturally be higher anyhow across the board, assuming he has a positive impact of course.
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If he scores in line with his expected goals, and his expected goals never increase, then he'll spend his career returning at around the rate CFs like Mitrovic, Jesus, Isak, Nunez, etc. did last season. Which for the price we paid for him and the development he should have ahead of him, would be a big disappointment. We're looking for him to become an elite CF.

Which means he either has to become a ludicrously brilliant finisher who consistently overperforms his xG to an implausible degree, or his xG needs to increase from where it currently is. And the only two ways his xG can increase is with more shots or better shots. Given he's already 95th percentile for the quality of his shots, he's unlikely to see much if any growth there.

Thus, an increase in shot volume is the only plausible way his xG can go from it's okay levels now (0.47 per 90) to anywhere near the levels players like Kane (0.66), Osimhen (0.66), Salah (0.70) or Haaland (0.76) have hit at their best.

This is a simple question of how his numbers can translate to goals. Unless the volume of his shots increases to drive his xG up towards elite levels, or unless he becomes literally the best finisher of his generation, he won't be able to become that level a goalscorer. The maths just doesn't work.
 
Someone photoshop him next to the boys from that 2005 photo with Alan Smith, Rio, Rooney, Scholes, O`Shea etc. Will fit right in.
 
midou said:
Someone photoshop him next to the boys from that 2005 photo with Alan Smith, Rio, Rooney, Scholes, O`Shea etc. Will fit right in.
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