Wouldn't be surprised if City paid him 7m to stay.
Maguire | he stays!
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I mean my goodness... I guess ruin your career for a paycheck. He needs to get a fresh start and go get minutes.
Collecting a check is going to put him into a Jones type role... check but not contributing.
I'm actually worried he'll clatter a player in training and injure them!
Collecting a check is going to put him into a Jones type role... check but not contributing.
I'm actually worried he'll clatter a player in training and injure them!
Im not talking about that. I'm saying he would have told Maguire to do one.
If he could get rid of Stam with no problems he wouldn't have a problem with Maguire.
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Maguire is an absolute gobshite, to think he was captain of the club. No wonder we could never progress.
Ten Hag made a mistake in all this as well by opening the door slightly in the press conference. I do wonder if Eric isn't confident in Murtough and Co being able to bring in his wanted replacement and so is hedging his bets with the devil he knows.
Ten Hag made a mistake in all this as well by opening the door slightly in the press conference. I do wonder if Eric isn't confident in Murtough and Co being able to bring in his wanted replacement and so is hedging his bets with the devil he knows.
Can we boo him now?
Players still dug their heels in under Fergie though. I remember in 2002, Dwight Yorke was out of the squad completely. There were offers throughout the season as there was no transfer window back then but he still collected his wages all season. David May was also in the reserves at the time and had his squad number taken by Veron. You can't force people to leave.
I think it's more likely by that point the manager had caught wind that he wasn't going anywhere.
Go on then.
York? I cant remember SAF falling out with York. Tevez Stam Beckham Ince Keane Heinze etc I do. But if
you say so. I'm not denying it .
Im not sure if they fell out but he completely stopped using him when we signed RvN in 2001. Cole (who transferred to Blackburn in the winter that season) and Ole got minutes but Yorke wasn't even making squads.
We signed Forlan and accepted a bid from Middlesbrough for Yorke but he refused to leave despite not playing. Similar to Maguire. As I said to the other poster: you can't just force people to leave.
We signed Forlan and accepted a bid from Middlesbrough for Yorke but he refused to leave despite not playing. Similar to Maguire. As I said to the other poster: you can't just force people to leave.
As I understood, he wants the wage difference from United. So we'd have to pay him the delta (about 100k) for the remaining years.
Of course the club has the right to refuse that but I think it's the wrong decision. Get a young talent in there for those 30m and 100k/week we save on him. We have 4 experienced CBs including Shaw and could take a little risk there.
Still better than status quo
Where did you get this info from?
Why would he leave? He's on the best contract he'll ever get, and he still gets picked for England despite barely playing for us. That's a cushy gig.
That will change. He will be dropped for England soon I would imagine.
It's only the wrong decision if the club have told him to leave, whereas, if he's asked to leave he should get zip/nothing. I suspect the offer has come in, he's been encouraged to pursue and done nothing. A game of who blinks first for cash. It's strange some of his social media focuses on England, which gets damaged if he's dropped for being a bench warmer.
IMO his career, of note, is over.
I think it’s time you give him the Lukaku treatment: separate training times … at a different facility, not allowed to enter the main offices … make the message clear.
You can take the check… but you do not work here.
it just feels like the whole “if he accepts his role” thing is a bit wishy washy.
doofus is thinking “so you’re saying there’s a chance!!”
You can take the check… but you do not work here.
it just feels like the whole “if he accepts his role” thing is a bit wishy washy.
doofus is thinking “so you’re saying there’s a chance!!”
This mentality is embarassing.
The club gave him a contract, he is entitled to it. As Chelsea did to Lukaku. Chelsea don't want to sell him at a loss or a reasonable fee for others but refuse to let him train with the mains, it's disgusting treatment.
How would you like it if your work said feck your contract we want you out even if you didn't want to leave? You have to relocate across the country or to a different country on a lower salary? You'd tell them to feck off and you'd stay.
I was discussing players we could sell for money, which we could of we wanted too.
I wasn't trying to be 'right'!
Just as well because your valuations are way off .
I was discussing players we could sell for money, which we could of we wanted too.
I wasn't trying to be 'right'!
This thought alone is disgusting.
That literally constantly happens.
Despite already being unreasonably rich, he chose even more money over dignity and integrity. He makes vastly more money in a week than a typical citizen does in a year. At that point, it's very much appropriate to criticise him for it. If we're talking about someone whose life can be changed by choosing money, it's perfectly understandable. That's not the case for Maguire. Going to West Ham wouldn't reduce the quality of life for him and his family. With the money he has already earned, staying at United means he gets to retire with 10% more wealth than if he had moved elsewhere. 10% more when he's already opulently rich and will never want for anything for the rest of his life, nor will his children.
At the end of the day, a footballer's club and its fans are the reason he's rich. When a player shits on the club and fans that ensured he'll have anything he wants for the rest of his life, just for the sake of getting even more, that justifies calling him out on it. The only sense in which he has a right to do what he's doing is the legal one, because contracts are binding. In every other sense, he's shitting on the hand that feeds him. If he was playing well and an asset to the club, it would be a different matter entirely. When he's dead weight and knows that him staying is a huge burden to the club, directly attributing to its problems, that is absolutely unethical.
He's within his rights to expect some measure of compensation, which has been offered. The club will have offered to buy out his contract at a respectable rate, giving him some portion of the money he would otherwise have earned. It's not even as if he's being asked to go for nothing. He knows that he's dead weight, he knows that staying makes it harder for the club to succeed, but he chooses to do so anyway because he can rake in a little more. He's legally allowed to do it, but that's where the justification ends.
He claims he wants to fight for his place in the team and whatnot, but nobody with any sense should believe that. He has been the worst player on the pitch in nearly any game he has played for over two years and has been informed that he's at the bottom of the hierarchy. All that talk of doing his part and earning his place back is just a cover for the less flattering reality: he'd rather sit on the bench for the rest of his career and make a bit more money, this already insolently rich man, than respect the club and the sport that has given him everything and going where he'll be of some use. English football and its global popularity is the reason his whole family is set up for a life of unimaginable excess and comfort. He should have some respect for that and go to a club where he can at least contribute to the sport that made this life possible for him, instead of being a leech on it.
If he had merely fallen short of expectations here at United, it might be a different matter. He didn't personally dictate those expectations, after all. But the fact is that he has been so unbelievably terrible, such a massive liability and directly contributing factor to this club's problems, that it's simply indecent of him to wash his hands of any responsibility and milk the club for all he can. It's just patently greedy and selfish. In staying, he ensures that we can't sign players we need, and is once more standing in the way of the club's success just so he can further enrich himself when he already has far, far more than anyone has any right to. He does not deserve any sympathy or understanding.
At the end of the day, a footballer's club and its fans are the reason he's rich. When a player shits on the club and fans that ensured he'll have anything he wants for the rest of his life, just for the sake of getting even more, that justifies calling him out on it. The only sense in which he has a right to do what he's doing is the legal one, because contracts are binding. In every other sense, he's shitting on the hand that feeds him. If he was playing well and an asset to the club, it would be a different matter entirely. When he's dead weight and knows that him staying is a huge burden to the club, directly attributing to its problems, that is absolutely unethical.
He's within his rights to expect some measure of compensation, which has been offered. The club will have offered to buy out his contract at a respectable rate, giving him some portion of the money he would otherwise have earned. It's not even as if he's being asked to go for nothing. He knows that he's dead weight, he knows that staying makes it harder for the club to succeed, but he chooses to do so anyway because he can rake in a little more. He's legally allowed to do it, but that's where the justification ends.
He claims he wants to fight for his place in the team and whatnot, but nobody with any sense should believe that. He has been the worst player on the pitch in nearly any game he has played for over two years and has been informed that he's at the bottom of the hierarchy. All that talk of doing his part and earning his place back is just a cover for the less flattering reality: he'd rather sit on the bench for the rest of his career and make a bit more money, this already insolently rich man, than respect the club and the sport that has given him everything and going where he'll be of some use. English football and its global popularity is the reason his whole family is set up for a life of unimaginable excess and comfort. He should have some respect for that and go to a club where he can at least contribute to the sport that made this life possible for him, instead of being a leech on it.
If he had merely fallen short of expectations here at United, it might be a different matter. He didn't personally dictate those expectations, after all. But the fact is that he has been so unbelievably terrible, such a massive liability and directly contributing factor to this club's problems, that it's simply indecent of him to wash his hands of any responsibility and milk the club for all he can. It's just patently greedy and selfish. In staying, he ensures that we can't sign players we need, and is once more standing in the way of the club's success just so he can further enrich himself when he already has far, far more than anyone has any right to. He does not deserve any sympathy or understanding.
Been saying this for a while with regards to the deadwood. For most players, staying and fighting for your place is an attractive alternative to leaving. Staying and collecting a paycheck without any hope of playing is not.
Worse than Bailly
Yes, Bailly could have been decent if not for injuries.. Had the odd mental moment but also defended very well at times - ultimately didn't play enough for me to judge him as a first teamer like I am Maguire.
Wants to fight for his place but has nothing to prove. Quite the pickle, that
Look, he's not good enough to play for United plain and simple. But, these financial decisions and putting the clubs decision making on him and blaming him for it is wrong.
He's trying to protect his future income and retirement which is just around the corner. Those financial goals that he and his family set based on the value of this contract won't be met unless the contract is fulfilled. He has every right to every penny that was promised and legally agreed on between club and player.
Also, when did he shit on the club? I'm not aware of anything he's said against the club and painted them in a negative light?
And you are entitled to tell them to feck off and stay where you are if you have a contract. Nobody can make you leave. Nobody can make you take a lower pay if you have a contract set.
Surely the Saudi’s will buy him and pay him stupid money?
Nobody said otherwise.
Maguire is well within his rights to continue to make himself available for training and selection, and collect his paycheck in the process. And the club is equally within its rights to continue to pay him his wages while making him unavailable for first-team selection and encouraging him to find a new club.
That helps nobody. It's not a harmful situation if he stays. We'd just ideally like to move him on. He's not a problematic guy though. Just a mediocre footballer.
Yah... Poor Harry. Going over to WH and becoming a pauper and struggling the rest of his life.
Now if he stays he will be getting the usual CL bump-up (+25%) in salary despite contributing feck-all last season.
Poor Harry. He just can't win.
Guardian and other media are reporting the figure of 7m he wanted.
He had 2 years left on the contract so that means the club would pay him 67k per week if he decides to leave.
So the question is 70k to Maguire and sign someone for 120k or continue to give Harry his weekly 190k for two more years on the bench.
I know it sounds stupid to pay someone to leave, but the alternative is worse.
His remaining salary for this contract adds up to over 20m.
So paying him only 7m and getting 30m from WH would actually result in a 43m (fee/wage) package.
There certainly are clubs that can work out something with that budget. Not sure our management can, though....
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The only thing he's entitled to is his pay, plenty of people a company want out get moved to different offices and different positions. I'm not saying I agree with it, but it's a pretty normal thing to happen.
I think ETH knew that the deal was pretty much dead by the conference.
Maguire doesn't fancy West Ham, wants his money and sees he can play a part with other players getting injuries/rest and making sub appearances, ETH seems to like bringing him on to head away crosses late on.
I’ve left jobs to earn less money but have a better role. I’ve quit to work on better projects that are more interesting to me, even though I didn’t make as much. I don’t think that’s a rare thing. Especially if you’re making decent scratch in both jobs.
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He just did not want to leave. Sounds like we didn’t want him to leave all that much either. It’s all very shocking but almost certainly true.
I saw Goldbridge criticising the club for the deal collapsing, but surely it’s fair if the club didn’t feel it right to pay £7-10m to get him out? Sets a bad precedent, although cutting off nose to spite face somewhat.
What's all this about the club.
Maguire said in his statement that he didn't even agree personal terms with West Ham in the first place. He just doesn't want to go, nothing to do with the 'pay off'.
Maguire said in his statement that he didn't even agree personal terms with West Ham in the first place. He just doesn't want to go, nothing to do with the 'pay off'.
Were those lesser paying jobs in the region of 50% less?
its the clubs fault, they can pay for their mistakes. Theyve done it to countless players in woodwards era