Maybe the one good thing about signing Mount is that if by some miracle we can get rid of Bruno to Saudi in the next couple of summers, he may actually be an upgrade in a possession system
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
The Saudis have certainly presented a viable avenue to sell a player who has status but no other top club would sign at the price we set. I think next summer if that market is still an option - Fernandes and Varane may become viable conversations.
Eh, yeah he was in all those games because he hardly ever missed out any game?
He may have weaknesses but putting all those games on him was a bit ridiculous. It's more like he gets blamed for being able to play almost all games.
I mean, really.
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Casemiro too.
I'd shift him to the right if we buy another to player to balance the midfield. It's going to be a mess of a season if we don't.
fecking hell.
Im far from Bruno’s biggest fan but this is just bizarre. Mkhitarian will barely be remembered as a United player he did absolutely feck all.
And your point is? All I'm saying is just like Bruno mkhi would do jack shit all game then pop up with a goal or assist. Bruno is similar
Bruno has been one of our most influential players in the last decade, you’re doing him a huge disservice.
I agree that he can go through large portions of a game being horrid at times, but Mkhitarian did next to nothing his entire time here. It’s not even close to being a valid comparison.
That’s an actually truly horrendous post
The feck
The man does more in a month than Mkhi did in his entire time with us.
Indeed. We now have a viable way to shift those wages and get fees for brand names.
It won’t be forgotten because the one thing Bruno is not is consistent; so yes, he’ll no doubt put together a great performance or two, but the inevitable 3/10 performance won’t be far behind.
Man it's almost like people are unable to think critically. Am I saying they are equal players? No. Am I saying they've accomplished the same? No. All I've said is they both have a single characteristic that reminded me of each other. But hey what was I expecting from the caf on people thinking and reading. I've seen countless games where even when Bruno played like shit he busts out a single moment for a goal/assist and people gushed over him.The feck
The man does more in a month than Mkhi did in his entire time with us.
Although looks like woodzy got closer to it with the second half of the post than the rest. All I know is right now our two supposed stars are fuking eth over
I seriously have no idea what you're on. We, as a side are lost if Bruno doesn't play. He is simply the most important / dangerous player in our side. He backs it up in underlying stats, goals, assists, whatever metric you choose.
It's ridiculous to compare him to a marginal, bit-part player like Mkhi.
I worry that he’s just not a real midfielder and we are persisting with something that just won’t work. In this day and age of crowding the middle he just doesn’t offer enough quality and reliability in those areas and our engine is always left exposed.
Cant really compare him to Mkhi, he was absent most of the time but did the odd worldie.
Bruno has more good moments, usually his passing into the box or a long through ball for Rashford.
But the rest of his game is much worse than Mkhi’s or just about any other creative player. The ball retention is atrocious. He can’t carry the ball because his dribbling is shit. He makes no look passes and back heels in his own half that set up chances for the other team. Very weak physically and no better in terms of mentality when things don’t go his way.
Bruno has more good moments, usually his passing into the box or a long through ball for Rashford.
But the rest of his game is much worse than Mkhi’s or just about any other creative player. The ball retention is atrocious. He can’t carry the ball because his dribbling is shit. He makes no look passes and back heels in his own half that set up chances for the other team. Very weak physically and no better in terms of mentality when things don’t go his way.
That was horrible to watch.
Yet we have been a mediocre side in all his time and he puts in mediocre performances on a very regular basis. He’s got one fecking league cup to his name and was pretty poor in that final also.
Underlying Stats fc.
A chance creating one-trick pony.
No finishing, no ball shielding or retention, poor tempo controlling
No finishing, no ball shielding or retention, poor tempo controlling
Needs dropped (never going to happen), zero football intelligence, bottom level is as bad as anyone about, and he's at that level more often than not
Thought he and united were doing well until he missed that header. Then that plus the Antony and his booking happened and we fell apart.
This guy is a real problem.
Can't remember a player for us who gets as much shit on here than him. He does lose the ball more than other mids, but he also is our most creative player by a mile and even yesterday made a lot of key passes that should have resulted in a goal. He shouldve done better with that header but he is probably in the top 3 of players for us that I'd least prefer to be on the end of that.
I have no interest in trying to convince someone He is gods gift, but his positives are not praised enough unless he scores, assists, and we win convincingly.
I have no interest in trying to convince someone He is gods gift, but his positives are not praised enough unless he scores, assists, and we win convincingly.
Unfortunately I feel Fernandes is one of these ‘football pursuits’, “Dreams can’t be buy” kind of figures. Guess we have to see if his morals remain when Al Hilal are offering 600 big ones a week.
Think a better comparison would be Zlatan, another that lived on moments.Play like trash for 90 minutes, get 1 goal all of a sudden he apparently played a blinder the whole game.
I actually thought first half Bruno was decent but 2nd half the rails just came off and we saw the very worst of Bruno. I often find myself thinking we could be a better team without him, I just think at some point for the team to progress he will have to be moved on.
Was awful yesterday. Finishing was very poor. Sloppy passes yet still moans and try’s to blame other players when he loses the ball…. Starting to think we should have given Martinez the captain band.
I sometimes feel the same and think we could be better without him but then I think where are the goals and assist going to come from? We ain’t replacing his output… he creates more chances than KDB we just don’t finish them so they don’t get noticed.
Terrible captains performance.
Whilst I agree that he isn't captain material, I don't think it would have any impact on our performance if him or Martinez wore that elastic armband yesterday. I find it interesting how much emphasis is put on the captaincy role nowadays, during Keanes/Vieiras/Maldinis era it was a genuine honour that brought responsibility. Now its purely PR. I'd love to have been a fly on the wall in Carrington when captain Maguire tried tellling Ronaldo that he's the chief because he's the captain.
He was captain in all but name last season. It won't make a difference really.
The feck
The man does more in a month than Mkhi did in his entire time with us.
To be fair, Mkhitaryan played a big part in the Europa League win.
Rasmus really needs to work out, if we have a proper centre forward, we will see Bruno's true value. I'm not just saying this out of blind faith, he literally creates the the most chances out of anyone in the league. If there is someone to put away those chances and someone to make runs to allow even more opportunities for Bruno to create chances, his productivity will be insane so whatever flaws Bruno has will be more than offset.
I honestly think that the reason he does this, is part of the bigger problem.
There’s often no correlation between the stats and the performance and you look back at what the chance was that he created and think…yes but the better pass would’ve been a different one, or it had been proceeded by three missed opportunities to create better chances due to spamming something ridiculous.
He's like Rashford; both are obviously talented players, but both have glaring deficiencies and both are streaky af, form wise.
The problem on here is that both have massive fan clubs that molly coddle these two in particular and won't hear a bad word against them. When they play poor, it's everyone else's fault, but when they play well, the gloating and 'told you so' attitudes come to the fore. Remember the Rashford sale thread being bumped by his super-fans every five minutes last season...
As I said, both are talented players, but they're too erratic and have too many deficiencies to be elite level. Its not a sustainable approach to proper success having your so called best players being so hot-and-cold. I think Bruno is definitely a problem here.
The problem on here is that both have massive fan clubs that molly coddle these two in particular and won't hear a bad word against them. When they play poor, it's everyone else's fault, but when they play well, the gloating and 'told you so' attitudes come to the fore. Remember the Rashford sale thread being bumped by his super-fans every five minutes last season...
As I said, both are talented players, but they're too erratic and have too many deficiencies to be elite level. Its not a sustainable approach to proper success having your so called best players being so hot-and-cold. I think Bruno is definitely a problem here.
He had a poor 2nd half let’s be honest but on another day he could have scored a penalty if VAR wasn’t corrupt , an assist of the season just for a offside and a 2nd goal from a free header that he normally would score . After that he had a stinker.
I’m just trying to be positive
I’m just trying to be positive
Probably not far from the truth. I think we build our players up too much and then when they can't hit the heights we've elated them to, we question the manager, the system, the owners, fitness levels etc....rather than consider that Occum's Razor suggests that if a player consistently performs in a quite average manner, then they are probably just quite average.
Bruno is a good example. He's close to world class in some of the things he does, but he's not consistent with it and very streaky. If you were to compare with a genuine world class midfielder, you would see that they too can play the same types of long passes and through-balls but they do it in a much more controlled and selective manner.
You also mention Rashford...we've built him up as world-class for years now but he's nowhere near. He has these little purple patches and his champions are out in force, but world class is doing that week-in, week out, season after season.
I fear Martinez is the next to fall foul of this. He's a good CB, he's a player the fans love...but we've built him up now into this world class CB...and I hate to say it (I honestly do because I love his fight) that for me he probably just falls short of 'world class'. I mean, can we honestly put him in the same category as prime Rio, Vidic, Ramos, Pique, vvD, Terry, Thiago Silva Carvahlo, Kompany etc...I don't think so personally, I think he's a notch down from that
I agree more or less. I think a team trying to push for cups/titles could carry one of Bruno/Rashford as they can be match winners when it clicks but I don't think many could carry both, and you would need the rest of the team to be really on point to do that. We're pretty far away from that it seems. Anthony/Garnacho and in reality all our other attacking options are not reliable either in terms of goals, creating or decision making. The 4 of them will give the ball away too often. You could potentially compensate for that if you had a really athletic midfield and defence with power/energy but we don't have that either. In combination it just feels like we're always going to be somewhat at the whim of luck and not really controlling the flow of games which is not where you need to be if you want to challenge.
He is the only constant.
We have shifted Ole, Maguire, McFred, DDG, Greenwood
Now we have ETH, Varane, Martinez, Casemiro, Eriksen, Mount, Onana
But our play is carbon copy as it was 2020,2021,2022.
We cant control games, we play over the top ball, our midfield gets overrun, we have 0 Physicality in midfield, hammerings are not far in between.
To out into perspective, Under Mourinho before Bruno we only lost ONCE with 4 goals. Never were we thrashed or hammered in anyhowly.
With Bruno, since 2020, we have lost 9 games with 4 (+). Add some city games where we were completely destroyed with respectable scoreline.
He's the cause of the imbalance, confusion, less of control we have as a team.
Only Carrick knew and was able to bench him.
I thought ETH was clever enough to bin him but he's made him the captain.
As maguire sealed Ole's fate, Bruno had sealed ETH fate.
Bruno will outlast ETH in Manchester. One or the the other has to leave in the next 18 months. Who do you think it will be? Club captain or club manager?
I told people about him from the beginning. He is a Europa League player being masqueraded as a CL/PL winning level player.
This club, two managers, the fanbase are all culpable because you put on him a pedestal he didn't deserve. I genuinely think there is an argument to be made for him being a flop but you guys aren't ready for that discussion yet. We'll get there in a few years time but for now at least you accepted he is problematic.
This club, two managers, the fanbase are all culpable because you put on him a pedestal he didn't deserve. I genuinely think there is an argument to be made for him being a flop but you guys aren't ready for that discussion yet. We'll get there in a few years time but for now at least you accepted he is problematic.