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This clip coming from a Russia source, but there does seem to be a fair bit of reporting that Ukraine is not sitting on its heels at Robotnye.



Also, lots of AD activity south of Moscow atm.
 
Simbo said:
This clip coming from a Russia source, but there does seem to be a fair bit of reporting that Ukraine is not sitting on its heels at Robotnye.

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At least during the night nothing happened, the big Ukrainian movement just ended without a fight, instead they took camps closer to the front.

Looks like they still want to prepare more before pushing through, but by being closer to the front they now can react faster with those troops.

This looks like a prime example for the Ukrainian reluctance to perform a big push that was criticised especially in the US a few days ago.
 
stefan92 said:
At least during the night nothing happened, the big Ukrainian movement just ended without a fight, instead they took camps closer to the front.

Looks like they still want to prepare more before pushing through, but by being closer to the front they now can react faster with those troops.

This looks like a prime example for the Ukrainian reluctance to perform a big push that was criticised especially in the US a few days ago.
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If these numbers are true, that's pretty much a full mechanised brigade and perhaps the first time Ukraine have committed a significant force in any direction. Could be a sign of the counter-offensive finally getting underway.

Personally, I don't give much credence to these anonymous "US Officials" that nyt/wsj spams us with "quotes" from on a daily basis to pretend they are a relevant news source in for this war. Either way, if some dude sat on the other side of the world, without a clue about the situation on the ground, is criticising Ukraine for not throwing its people into harms way as much as they would like... They need a fecking slap.
 
Simbo said:
Personally, I don't give much credence to these anonymous "US Officials" that nyt/wsj spams us with "quotes" from on a daily basis to pretend they are a relevant news source in for this war. Either way, if some dude sat on the other side of the world, without a clue about the situation on the ground, is criticising Ukraine for not throwing its people into harms way as much as they would like... They need a fecking slap.
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Exactly. You can also include WP in that list. Their "Officials" are probably some Gulf War relics with as much inside knowledge as we have. They sell single opinions like some official statements just to bait klicks.
 
Ragnar123 said:
Exactly. You can also include WP in that list. Their "Officials" are probably some Gulf War relics with as much inside knowledge as we have. They sell single opinions like some official statements just to bait klicks.
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I doubt that. Just look at the top of this page where WSJ quotes "Officials" citing their meeting with Zaluzhny. So I do think that there is truly a rift between (some) US military officers and the Ukrainian generals.

And that would be no surprise I think - when was the last time the US fought a war against a (at least in some aspects) stronger army? Probably early WW2 in the Pacific theatre. Which was 80 years ago.
 
VorZakone said:
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I think it also might have slightly different effect to some. You can't trust Putin for any sort of "deal" because he'll proceed to alter the terms of the deal. Something that may not have been the case before. Which may cause some of the elite that consider themselves a flight risk , to act sooner and go out with a bang.
 
B20 said:
That's not new
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Right I'd seen they were disproportionately conscripting from ethnic minorities. But didn't know they were drafting foreigners.

I would say surely that's illegal but then it's Russia.
 
stevoc said:
Right I'd seen they were disproportionately conscripting from ethnic minorities. But didn't know they were drafting foreigners.

I would say surely that's illegal but then it's Russia.
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Probably no longer illegal there, they can pass new laws overnight.
 
stevoc said:
So they're conscripting foreign workers now?
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No, they don't. The video in question talks about people with Russian passports.

They are inviting foreigners to join the army on a contract basis* but they aren't conscripting them – there isn't any legal way to do that (which doesn't always mean that there isn't a way to do that in Russia but there haven't been any known cases yet).

* when we're talking about people who have issues with their visas etc. sometimes they're given a choice between deportation and signing the contract
 
harms said:
* when we're talking about people who have issues with their visas etc. sometimes they're given a choice between deportation and signing the contract
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Unless they are wanted criminals back home, it's bit of a one sided "choice" though ? Can't imagine any would voluntarily sign up.
 
The Firestarter said:
Unless they are wanted criminals back home, it's bit of a one sided "choice" though ? Can't imagine any would voluntarily sign up.
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Money… most of those illegal immigrants are in Russia to earn for their families and the army contracts pays pretty well.
 
Ekkie Thump said:
Not certain it's true, but somehow it seems about right...

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So after being used as human shields, they're not even allowed to lie dead in the ground anymore? In Putin's Russia, nothing is shocking anymore.
 
Still wild to know Prigozhin is dead. And he's already kinda becoming yesterday's news too.
 
VorZakone said:
Still wild to know Prigozhin is dead. And he's already kinda becoming yesterday's news too.
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I can't wait to not hear about him anymore, its a distraction from whats going on on the ground in Ukraine.

I'm infinitely more interested in Ukraine's progress south of Robotyne than i am on the specifics of the death of a war criminal.
 
I wonder how long Russia can sustain those losses. Even their huge cold war stocks have to run out at some point.
 
Ragnar123 said:
I wonder how long Russia can sustain those losses. Even their huge cold war stocks have to run out at some point.
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"I wonder how long Russia can sustain those losses."
This is one thing where I can confidently use the phrase "trust me, bro". Trust me, Russia can sustain these losses for a long time.
 
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