Its not like they come for pennies. Vitor Roque costed Barca 60m and so did Endrick. If we paid that money for an unknown player in Brazil, people would still lose it on here, saying we even get fleeced by non Euro teams.
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Its not like they come for pennies. Vitor Roque costed Barca 60m and so did Endrick. If we paid that money for an unknown player in Brazil, people would still lose it on here, saying we even get fleeced by non Euro teams.
United are third in big chances created both last season and this, so we are creating the chances, but we've had no centre forward to finish them.
Vitor Roque cost 40m euros didn't he? And I believe that was including add ons.
The Athletic reported an initial 30m plus 30m in bonusses.
They are never wrong, every outlet related to the countries where the deal orginated has reported its 40m euros including addons
Could be. My point still stands though. If we would have gotten him even for 40 people would still be unhappy.
With the club eventually making the moral and correct choice to let MG go, surely we sign another striker?
ETH clearly planned to use MG this season, so In his mind he is down a player.
We can't leave all the goalscoring on Martial and Hojlund who is currently injured and reportedly won't be able to play 2 games a week for months.
That would likely mean we'd be without a striker 50% of the season. Way too risky.
ETH clearly planned to use MG this season, so In his mind he is down a player.
We can't leave all the goalscoring on Martial and Hojlund who is currently injured and reportedly won't be able to play 2 games a week for months.
That would likely mean we'd be without a striker 50% of the season. Way too risky.
Would they?
Is there any indication of when he will be fit to play? We are in desperate need of him right now.
Of course they would. What's the last transfer that was met with unified praise? Even Onana got the "we could have got him for free" "way too expensive" treatment from some. Do you think nobody would criticize 40m for an unproven striker from Brazil?
Just remembered Chicharito scored 20 goals after coming from the worthless Mexican League. This gives me hope Højlund can match those numbers, being a superior player to CH14.
how worthless would you say mexicans are compared to south americans, like peruvians?
I’m not saying Mexicans are worthless, what I’m saying is that their league is worthless, as are all leagues in the American continent with the exception of maybe Brazil’s.
Mexico’s league is bad, but for example the Colombian league is an absolute disaster with one of the lowest levels you can imagine.
There’s a reason why top players of Latin American countries leave for Europe. Hugo Sanchez, Chicharito, Farfan, Falcao, Antonio Valencia, etc.
Haven’t you read my user name? I’m a foreigner
I’m even criticizing my own country league as worse than worthless.
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it’s alright, we’re all friends here and we all voted for brexit. it’s fine to have a pop at the foreigns.
While I do get your sentiment, Mexican league is currently ranked 9th (on the site I'm looking at) in the world, just below Brazil in 7th, and the Russian League in 8th. Above the Championship in 10th.
That site also has the Bundesliga as the second-strongest league in the world, above La Liga and Serie A. It also ranks club sides and has United as 16th in the world, below clubs like Napoli, Brighton, Aston Villa, Benfica and RB Leipzig.
All based on something called the 'Soccer Power Index' apparently. Clearly increasing the club's Soccer Power should be high on Ten Hag's agenda.
Not a fair comparison, nor a fair expectation.
Chicharito was out there with the likes of Rooney, Berbatov, Nani, Scholes, Giggs, Carrick, etc. There wasn't a ton of pressure on Chicharito to score goals because you had Rooney and Berbatov, who between the two of them scored 37 goals that season.
We're basically pinning all our hopes of scoring goals on this 20 year old kid, and assuming that along the way Rashford will have an approximation of the season he had last year, which as things stand right now is looking increasingly unlikely.
If Hojlund scores 10 goals this season it'll be a resounding success, all things considered.
In fairness, we’re «only» pinning all our hopes on Højlund improving our overall play by actually being able to hold up the ball, link up our midfield and wide players, and setting a high pressing line up top.
If your 80 mil worth, first choice striker, scores 10 goals in a season then it is not success by any means.
is there a “perennially injured” filter in fm? trying to work out how we scout our strikers.
Start of scouting; John calls Erik and asks him; "What player do you want?".
End of scouting.
It's not really meaningful to put a number to it though. If he scores 10 but his presence and work results in other players converting more opportunities (and not have Rashford and Bruno accounting for 40%~ of all goals) that's good too especially in the context of a first year for a young player. Let's see how many minutes he plays this season as well.
Ffs, it was tongue-in-cheek when I asked why we rushed the purchase when he couldn't play before the window closes but it literally will transpire line that.
Shambles of a transfer window.
Shambles of a transfer window.
Why?
Because his goal total will also be judged relative to that. And we're still to see his start, if EtH is going to slowly insert him, etc... Might have a lighter workload this year.
It's fair to expect production from his price tag, I don't think we can really set an arbitrary bar of goals that he should reach at that point however.
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After our struggles last season and with huge competition for top 4 this season, we desperately needed no9 who goes straight in first 11 and makes difference from day one.
If we will use him sparingly and be happy if he scores 10 goals then we are fecked this season.
Hojlund must deliver. Is it ok to demand that from 20y old kid? Probably not. But it is reality unfortunately.
It’s an utterly ridiculous situation we find ourselves in. Relying on a 20 year old to score the bulk of our goals.
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If we’ve spent £80mil of a very limited transfer budget on a player we plan to use sparingly this season we should have allotted those funds elsewhere.
If we’ve signed him knowing he can’t play, new injuries permitting, week in week out then I’m concerned. We can’t afford for him not to be a resounding success.
Yeah I think Erik hoped Kane would give him encouragement and push for move, unfortunately that never materialised so he had to look elsewhere for a striker
Is he not fit again to make the bench vs Forest?
According to EtH's presser he said he's not available for tomorrow, he's only just begun training with the first team. He wants a full week of training before he'll consider him available.
He'll probably be on the bench for Arsenal and Brighton, then possibly start against Burnley if we are desperate.
Wow really? That is a surprising stat, jsut another example of why stats are misleading if true. Obviously the lack of a striker has been a major issue, but our problems last season and this run far deeper than not having a striker and the problems seem tobe growing rather than being solved, not just due to injuries.
So far only our distribution from the goalkeeper seems to be improved, there are several players looking wway down on performances....but that happened the last two months of the season where most of our start players were out injured or faded significacntly.
I think Hoijlund will actually make a big difference, but until we sort that midfield out and get better competition at centre back, we are still significantly behind other teams fighting for the top four let alone the title
We will be desperate after losing to Arsenal and Brighton. That's for sure. Just want him to take things slowly but doesn't look possible with the amount of pressure on him due to the forward line being crap.
To be fair to Wout he knew where the goal was too. That’s surely the only way he was able to miss it so impressively so often!
I don't think we are "relying" on Hojlund to score the bulk of the goals, for me that's Rashford.
He certainly has to contribute to our goalscoring. You don't pay that kind of money for somebody you have no belief in to score goals, first season or not, young or not. He has to score and he has to improve our play, that's the bottom line, otherwise the season will be a massive struggle as we only just got by last year. What does that look like? Probably to aim for 12-15 in the league.
But the main responsibility is still on the likes of Rashford and Bruno for me. They're our experienced players. Bruno has to finish better and score more, because that went to shit last year,, and he has to create - and Rashford has to keep up what he produced because that's why we're paying him like a world superstar. If you believe you're in that bracket you have to keep producing like a player of that bracket, you can't be a one season wonder. We're in an era when a top wide forward should score bucket loads of goals. Hojlund isn't in that category yet and that's why the main expectation isn't on him, the aim should be to make sure he contributes and develop him.
Ultimately it's the same at a team like Liverpool. Salah has to score loads. That's what you expect from your established, ridiculously paid footballers, they're paid like that to reflect what they're supposed to be to the club and Rashford is in that position for us more so than Hojlund.
Sancho and Antony should be scoring way more too, their output is a bit pathetic. But I don't think this is realistic, they are not going to get that many in my opinion so stating that they will is just hopeful, wishful thinking. Whereas Rashford can do it and should do it.
He certainly has to contribute to our goalscoring. You don't pay that kind of money for somebody you have no belief in to score goals, first season or not, young or not. He has to score and he has to improve our play, that's the bottom line, otherwise the season will be a massive struggle as we only just got by last year. What does that look like? Probably to aim for 12-15 in the league.
But the main responsibility is still on the likes of Rashford and Bruno for me. They're our experienced players. Bruno has to finish better and score more, because that went to shit last year,, and he has to create - and Rashford has to keep up what he produced because that's why we're paying him like a world superstar. If you believe you're in that bracket you have to keep producing like a player of that bracket, you can't be a one season wonder. We're in an era when a top wide forward should score bucket loads of goals. Hojlund isn't in that category yet and that's why the main expectation isn't on him, the aim should be to make sure he contributes and develop him.
Ultimately it's the same at a team like Liverpool. Salah has to score loads. That's what you expect from your established, ridiculously paid footballers, they're paid like that to reflect what they're supposed to be to the club and Rashford is in that position for us more so than Hojlund.
Sancho and Antony should be scoring way more too, their output is a bit pathetic. But I don't think this is realistic, they are not going to get that many in my opinion so stating that they will is just hopeful, wishful thinking. Whereas Rashford can do it and should do it.
Generally, you are very good at lowering expectations, or should I say 'standards'? I mean, it's not a bad thing. It's good for your mental health, at least when all else fails.
It's football, I'd be happy the team to perform well, I don't think it merits to put such expectations you're spoiling any pleasure out of it. But that's just me.
Excited for Hojlund start, can't expect he'll be an absolute trailblazer of a striker just yet.
It’s alright ladies and gents, Rasmus doesn’t have to worry nagging the goals this season as rumour has it Jermaine Defoe is coming out of retirement to join us
His rate of returns you can probably judge, though.
By which I mean we know he returned 0.44 non-penalty goals and 0.47 NPxG per 90 in Serie A last season. However many minutes he plays for us, it will almost certainly be enough to be able to draw a comparison to that. So the degree to which he drops off or improves on those numbers upon moving to the PL will tell us a lot.
If he translated those goal returns 1-to-1 to the PL he'd be returning at roughly the same rate the likes of Jesus, Toney, Isak, Mitrovic and Watkins did last season. Which from a 20 year old in his first season would be an excellent sign as that's basically the sub Kane/Haaland tier of CF in the league.
So that seems like a good standard by which to judge his first season productivity in the minutes he gets.