My point was Gazans voted for am organisation which has the extermination of the State Israel written in their charter since the beginning. That's a huge difference to the government of Israel which made many mistakes but doesn't want the extermination of all Palestinians.
Again, the Hamas must have strong support within Gaza. Otherwise they couldn't clinge to power so long, build a vast tunnel system underneath the city, contrive, construct thousands and thousands of missiles that there fire in densely populated urban area on Israel.
I honestly don't know if you're being deliberately ignorant or obtuse, but if not, you are incredibly uninformed or misinformed despite countless posters here trying to help you see where your posts are factually wrong and where also your comments could be offensive at times., albeit unintentionally.
The amount of links sent countering your posts in reply have stacked up and it's as if you ignore them completely because like the above post here, you just keep repeating the same arguments despite being repeatedly told they are wrong.
Your point Gazans voted ... How many times do you have to be told NEARLY 20 YEARS AGO! When well over half of the current population were not even born yet or old enough to vote. So that point is absolutely null and void. So why keep repeating it?
Again you repeat another point that you have been called on numerous times.
Israel's government doesn't want the extermination of all Palestinians.
That's bollocks. Agreed lots don't, but many do. Bibi has said it numerous times as have many of his cabinet ministers and army and air force members and high ranking officers. So have many Israeli citizens too. There have been countless videos and articles posted in this thread, so have you missed them all? Don't believe them? Or are just chosing to ignore them because they don't fit your agenda?
They must have huge support so they can build tunnels and rockets.
Again, agreed they do have support but when over half the population are kids, many are elderly and the majority live in constant fear and abject poverty, add to that brainwashing and watching their land be stolen and having to live in what has been called an open air prison, I feel that tarring everyone with the same brush and calling them all terrorists is just lazy and misses so many different points. Again, I will reiterate this is not defending terrorists or Hamas or actions, but understanding the innocent civilians caught up in it all.
I said Hamas won the election in 2006 by a wide margin. 74 out of 132 seats in parliament. Whether these elections were free and democratic I don't know.
It applies to Israel as well. However, I differentiate between the Israeli government and a terrorist organisation like Hamas. I am sure Israel doesn't have the extinction of Palestinians written in their constitution.
If you consider Israel and Hamas as equivalent, then any further discussion is meaningless.
It's like comparing the US to Al Qeida.
This is a shocker of a post really. Again you harp on about the elections. And worse still you openly admit YOU DONT KNOW. So why keep mentioning it when you admit you don't know? And also it's been countered dozens of times in this thread and all over the internet regarding the population today, but back when the elections were held it was still only a 73% turnout (so a quarter not voting) and Hamas.got 44% of the votes and it's been widely reported that they wouldn't have won any elections if any had been held since.
It's really simple, you can side with the Israelis or the Palestinians but you have to be able to back your arguments up for doing so. Continually blaming one side is just ignorant and shows severe bias.
I don't support Hamas and I think their actions have been vile, disgusting and they have definitely committed war crimes. I do support the innocent Palestinians.
I don't support Israel either, but i also don't support Israels response to the attacks and a lot of their actions since includong their disproportionate response. I also don't support their continued treatment of the Palestinians and the continued stealing of land. I do support the innocent Israeli people. I completely understand the anger and fear from both sides and I try to be as objective as possible. I just find it infuriating to see others like yourself that are just staunchly on one side, especially when you not only keep repeating stuff that is false, not pertinent or that has been countered and debunked.
I don't expect to change opinions, although I do think when people are wrong and presented with reasons and evidence to show why they are wrong then it shows weakness of character or intelligence that they refuse to do so and instead double down repeatedly or argue just for the sake of it. Either that, or I just think they are trolling and intentionally wumming the topic they are posting in.
Personally I also feel that certain arguments that keep getting repeated despite evidence or reasons showing why they are wrong or false should be ignored or even just removed by the mods. I don't like censorship but at the same time it's fecking incredibly frustrating reading the same things over and over again and it really doesn't help the threads discussion.
It's especially difficult in this with such emotive and sensitive issues that has so many nuances and so much historical events and changes of power, different countries, cultures and religions and religious factions and sects involved too, but that's why it's so important we don't get bogged down with endless pages of arguing over or discussing things that have already been repeatedly argued and discussed or agreed upon.
It's really quite simple, you absolutely cannot in good faith blame everyone or tar everyone with the same brush like you are with the Palestinians or as others do with the Israelis. To do so is not only ignorant but it's just fecking inhuman too. Saying Gaza voted for Hamas when the turnout and vote percentage has been shown and the current demographics have been explained showing many weren't born or old enough to vote and that of those who did many either did not vote or didn't vote for Hamas, and then lumping them all together is just ignorant and lazy or it shows a clear racist or Islamaphobic bias or even hatred. And again, it doesn't help the thread.
Here's the original Hamas Doctrine with all last and current amendments and some discussion and links to articles pertaining to events surrounding its conception and history including lots of links to articles from other countries and world leaders comments surrounding it, Hamas and Palestine and Israel.
https://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2023/oct/19/doctrine-hamas
Here's a decent link to the last Palestinian Elections, again with lots of links to articles helping understand the various issues with the election, the results, percentages, demographics and helps explain the opposition party and the outside worlds support of them, especially the USA and how they armed them and how this isn't as simple as many keep making it out to be. It should also show you that even if Hamas are destroyed then they will just be replaced by another group, just with a different name.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election
While all this is going on, innocent people on both sides are living in fear or dying or seeing their homes and lives destroyed. The fact they are still being blamed by some on both sides is fecking infuriating to me.
Rant over/
Sorry for the long post.