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adexkola said:
How touching.
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I know there's a tendancy to consider anything the IDF do or say as bad, but this makes a lot of sense really.

It's a common tactic used by nations during war to locate targets and people of significance as well as in civilian life when attempting to take down major criminal organisations. Offer something, whether money, safety, freedom etc for information.

The IDFs reputation isn't going to help them here though.
 
That_Bloke said:
There will absolutely be a hostage swap at some point (how many and for whom, remains to be seen), and they knew what was coming.
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If there is, it wouldn't be particularly advantageous to Hamas since the Israelis are going in either way to get rid of them. I believe Hamas leaders thought they could use their hostages to free Palestinian prisoners and potentially negotiate a deal with the Israelis, the latter of which clearly won't work.
 
Raoul said:
It may have been co-founded by an Israeli guy back in the 90s but that has nothing to do with the legitimacy of the content in the present. For instance, they've had a post 10.7 attack interview with Osama Hamdan of Hamas' political bureau. That's a perfectly legitimate thing to broadcast to showcase the mentality of Hamas political leaders talking about sending "Israelis back to where they came from". They also broadcast the interview with Khaled Mash'al being grilled by Lebanese anchor woman, and countless other interesting stories. If one wants mundane non extremist content from the middle east, then Memri isn't a good place for that.
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And how much content are they broadcasting portraying Israeli extremists? Politicians and Settlers calling for ethnic cleansing, genocide or dogmatic violence? We both know the answer to that.

I'll give you benefit of the doubt considering the nature of your work and why Memri might be a contextually useful source, but as a balanced source in the ME it's dog tier.
 
The trustworthiness of tweets shared in this thread is pretty low, I mean we had that alt-right nutter being presented as a credible weapon's expert and there's probably been like a dozen tweets of the guy mentioned in this quote and/or the org he works for.

Ekkie Thump said:
Sure bud :wenger:.







Here he is even sharing a promo vid ffs:



Edit: I mean, there's loads more.
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I don't see why Memri would be any worse, as long as no one claims they represent a wide majority. And I think it's preposterous to complain about bias or balance, just look at most non MSM accounts that are shared here, it's a ton of people, who seem to have dedicated their life to one side of the conflict.
 
Raven said:
If they focus on only one side you'd surely have to agree it's biased?
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Their historical focus has been on broadcasting extremism. That's their general schtick. They're not a BBC like news organization, nor do viewers go there expecting that.
 
Kaos said:
And how much content are they broadcasting portraying Israeli extremists? Politicians and Settlers calling for ethnic cleansing, genocide or dogmatic violence? We both know the answer to that.

I'll give you benefit of the doubt considering the nature of your work and why Memri might be a contextually useful source, but as a balanced source in the ME it's dog tier.
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I don't think they have ever covered it because it wasn't part of the war on terror during the 2000s, which is when their model of broadcasting extremism took off.
 
Raoul said:
If there is, it wouldn't be particularly advantageous to Hamas since the Israelis are going in either way to get rid of them. I believe Hamas leaders thought they could use their hostages to free Palestinian prisoners and potentially negotiate a deal with the Israelis, the latter of which clearly won't work.
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In Gaza, absolutely.

You've made your point. Let's wait and see.
 
Raoul said:
I don't think they have ever covered it because it wasn't part of the war on terror during the 2000s, which is when their model of broadcasting extremism took off.
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Let's not be cute, we both know why they haven't covered it.
 
Kaos said:
Let's not be cute, we both know why they haven't covered it.
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It doesn't matter if they have or haven't. There are other websites who do carry settler activity, some of which were routinely posted earlier in this thread. Each website has a particular area of focus.
 
Hamas has fuel to still fire rockets but not to give to the hospitals. Strange one that
 
Raoul said:
Their historical focus has been on broadcasting extremism. That's their general schtick. They're not a BBC like news organization, nor do viewers go there expecting that.
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Do you follow many sources that cover the other side of the conflict?
 
Raven said:
Do you follow many sources that cover the other side of the conflict?
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Yes, I follow Arabic media as well, which tend to cover the story more from the Palestinian perspective.
 
Why do people think the deal that Arafat rejected was not a serious and good deal? It’s better than anything they could be offered now.
 
owlo said:
Why do people think the deal that Arafat rejected was not a serious and good deal? It’s better than anything they could be offered now.
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It did for Arafats reputation IMO, he had nothing to offer anyone after that. No point in trying to do business with someone who couldn't land that deal. It was a serious offer.
 
A video about the settlements in the West Bank (Cisjordanie) by a French network. It summarizes very well what’s going on there in the first 4:12 minutes.

 
adexkola said:
Who better to point out colonization than the French?

The English, that's who
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Talking of which, saw this the other day:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67167925

In the grand scheme of things one of the more innocuous stories.....but classic France nonetheless.

French football's "bad boy" Karim Benzema is threatening to go to court after Interior Minister Gérald Darmanin accused him of having links with the Muslim Brotherhood.
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UN chief says ‘clear violations of international humanitarian law’ in Gaza
Antonio Guterres pleads for civilians to be protected in Israel-Hamas war, says the fighting increases risk of a wider regional conflagration.

“It is important to also recognise the attacks by Hamas did not happen in a vacuum. The Palestinian people have been subjected to 56 years of suffocating occupation,” Guterres said.

“But the grievances of the Palestinian people cannot justify the appalling attacks by Hamas. And those appalling attacks cannot justify the collective punishment of the Palestinian people,” he said.

UN chief says ‘clear violations of international humanitarian law’ in Gaza | Israel-Palestine conflict News | Al Jazeera

What a fantastic quote by the guy. This is how Israel reacted -



Pathetic.
 
Speaking of fuel, BBC posted something on their timeline about the UN claiming they will run out of fuel tomorrow and the IDF showing images of Hamas fuel tanks telling them to go and ask Hamas for some.

I'm sure they've probably asked, probably been told no for fairly obvious reasons, at least from the Hamas pov but at the same time, I'm a little confused to why the fuel tanks are still there given Israel is clearly aware of them?
 
The phone lines in the tunnels allowed the operatives to communicate with one another in secret and meant they could not be tracked by Israeli intelligence officials, the sources told CNN.
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The Corinthian said:
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Telling them to move south was a good example of following the LOAC.

JagUTD said:
Speaking of fuel, BBC posted something on their timeline about the UN claiming they will run out of fuel tomorrow and the IDF showing images of Hamas fuel tanks telling them to go and ask Hamas for some.

I'm sure they've probably asked, probably been told no for fairly obvious reasons, at least from the Hamas pov but at the same time, I'm a little confused to why the fuel tanks are still there given Israel is clearly aware of them?
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Those fuel tanks don’t belong to Hamas, they belong to the Egyptians and are at the Rafah crossing. Israel talking shit on social media again.
 
Thread about Israeli propaganda / hasbara and the amount of shite they pump out.





 
The Corinthian said:
UN chief says ‘clear violations of international humanitarian law’ in Gaza
Antonio Guterres pleads for civilians to be protected in Israel-Hamas war, says the fighting increases risk of a wider regional conflagration.

“It is important to also recognise the attacks by Hamas did not happen in a vacuum. The Palestinian people have been subjected to 56 years of suffocating occupation,” Guterres said.

“But the grievances of the Palestinian people cannot justify the appalling attacks by Hamas. And those appalling attacks cannot justify the collective punishment of the Palestinian people,” he said.

UN chief says ‘clear violations of international humanitarian law’ in Gaza | Israel-Palestine conflict News | Al Jazeera

What a fantastic quote by the guy. This is how Israel reacted -



Pathetic.
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Israel, what a shameless governement they have over there. The whole world can now see through this narcisistic cnuts. A perfectly factual statement, known to evryone under the sun except Israel and its big daddy. He is not going to resign and I hope he doest even try to explain what he has clearly said.
 
JagUTD said:
Honestly pal, I don't think being banned from Arab countries is the best way to judge someone's credibility, especially when it comes to criticism of some elements of the Arab world.
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Do you know the guy? Really I would not take his word or advice on anything. He is a known inflammatory figure that was behind sectarian propaganda that both moderate Muslims schools (sunni and shia) considered him provocative encouraging sectarian hatred and violence.
 
owlo said:
Telling them to move south was a good example of following the LOAC.



Those fuel tanks don’t belong to Hamas, they belong to the Egyptians and are at the Rafah crossing. Israel talking shit on social media again.
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They're in Egypt? Or in Gaza but controlled by Egypt?
 


Israel threatening the Israeli hospital that received the freed captive as she spoke in positive terms is hilarious.
 
Kaos said:
And what they choose to select and clip is very much agenda driven - exactly how PressTV selectively interview guests or skew news to fit their own world view. Its a terrible source.

The fact they're quoting Quraishi tells you all you need to know.
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I cant believe people Quote Amir Al Quraishi, he is the Andrew Tate of the "scholars".
 
JagUTD said:
They're in Egypt? Or in Gaza but controlled by Egypt?
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Gaza side of the border. You can punch 31.259871,34.253742 into Google Maps. Something to do with official distribution for the crossing. Irrelevant to Hamas who can get fuel through tunnels etc anyway (IDF would have just bombed them if relevant to rockets)
 
Giggsyking said:
Do you know the guy? Really I would not take his word or advice on anything. He is a known inflammatory figure that was behind sectarian propaganda that both moderate Muslims schools (sunni and shia) considered him provocative encouraging sectarian hatred and violence.
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I don't mate. Genuinely have no idea. Without delving into it, based on what people have said so far such as being banned from Arab countries, referencing Iran of all places it wouldn't convince me that the point made in the post was a fair one, at least when it comes to those that did celebrate.

For me, when it comes to this topic, finding a genuinely unbiased source is almost impossible.
 
JagUTD said:
I don't mate. Genuinely have no idea. Without delving into it, based on what people have said so far such as being banned from Arab countries, referencing Iran of all places it wouldn't convince me that the point made in the post was a fair one, at least when it comes to those that did celebrate.

For me, when it comes to this topic, finding a genuinely unbiased source is almost impossible.
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A source for what?
 
JagUTD said:
I don't mate. Genuinely have no idea. Without delving into it, based on what people have said so far such as being banned from Arab countries, referencing Iran of all places it wouldn't convince me that the point made in the post was a fair one, at least when it comes to those that did celebrate.

For me, when it comes to this topic, finding a genuinely unbiased source is almost impossible.
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They baned him not because he is a progressive nice guy, the opposite, they banned because he us more radical.
 
owlo said:
A source for what?
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A truly unbiased source of information about what's going on in Israel and Gaza right now.

Only when there seems to be a consensus amongst several sources, often with opposing positions can you take something as accurate.
 
JagUTD said:
A truly unbiased source of information about what's going on in Israel and Gaza right now.

Only when there seems to be a consensus amongst several sources, often with opposing positions can you take something as accurate.
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Information on the ground is unlikely to be accurate from either side, and we won’t have evidence for a while yet of what is going on. Both sides are driving sensationalist narratives and employing cranks to do their bidding. Neither hamas/Gaza ministries or Israel Are reliable sources.

Sources I generally listen to (and a common theme here is they will discuss actions but not always verify or justify them. Eg they can discuss the laws of conflict, but not yet know if Israel breaks them): justsecurity, lawfare, bellingcat, Lieber institute, rational security podcast - very US centric but reliable and expert

We can get fairly accurate reports on troop movements especially on the US side. Jim Laporta and Lara Seligman on twitter

Analysis on the conflict, there’s a fair few but if you branch out from the ones I’ve mentioned you won’t go far wrong.

For ”breaking news” you can probably expect organisations like the bbc and cnn and nytimes to be ok now, they won’t get sucker punched by hamas again.
 
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