Celtic face UEFA disciplinary action after Palestinian flags flown at Champions League match
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Celtic face UEFA disciplinary action after Palestinian flags flown at Champions League match
We're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one.
It depends which flag, yes if it is Palestine's.
We shouldn’t be ascribing any credibility to what Biden says. He’s mentally not there and he’s irresponsible with what he’s saying publicly. I would say it’s intentional but as he’s senile it could genuinely be that too.
While its a fair stance to take considering Biden's age and history with geriatric bloopers, its not uncommon for the US to downplay the scale of suffering they and their allies have caused. Someone unhinged like Trump would have just doubled down and tried to gaslight us into thinking the Palestinians deserved it. Not sure which is worse tbh, at least the latter is honest about where they stand on the matter.
Would only make sense if they also banned Israel flags, which I would guess they did.
Despite that, was incredible and touching to see the support shown, such a stark difference to other western nations that would never do such a thing.
The Palestinian flag has always been a common sight at Celtic games. Likewise for the Israeli one with Rangers.
Glaswegians tend to do whatever they want. They don't give much of a shit what people, especially authority figures, will think of it.
I might be wrong here and its only an quick observation, but it seems to me that ”the people” and the gouverments are as far from eachother as they have been in a long time concerning this matter. In the west that is.
Not including USA, but in Europe almost everyone i talk to cant understand how their gouverments can be so supportive of what Israel are doing as they people they gouver seems to be very understanding and supportive of the Palestinian people(not hamas)
Not including USA, but in Europe almost everyone i talk to cant understand how their gouverments can be so supportive of what Israel are doing as they people they gouver seems to be very understanding and supportive of the Palestinian people(not hamas)
It's funny that as a kid I liked Rangers more because their kit color is blue and I like the color blue
But politically Rangers the complete opposite of what my stance has been as an adult, they're also very much pro-Union/Royal Family as well while Celtic are pro-independence.I'm 100% certain that if Celtic fans came out and said that they love air then every Rangers fan would start holding their breath.It's funny that as a kid I looked Rangers more because their kit color is blue and I like the color blue
Its the same in the Middle East. Arab countries in particular where there exists a massive gulf between their governing regimes and the general population - the former of which wants closer ties with Israel, the latter of which want nothing to do with them until there's justice for the Palestinians. I feel like people in Europe are slightly more apathetic to the issue, less so than say the war in Ukraine.
They tell people go to the south and they bomb them their. Where are the Gazans supposed to go?
The obvious difference being that the Middle East is comprised of autocratic states ranging from absolute monarchies to theocracies to authoritarian dictatorships, where the people don't have the luxury of driving their respective national policies through voting. People in North America and Europe clearly can vote for whoever they want to represent them, and yet support for Israel continues to remain strong among democracies.
Yes we probably are, but i have noticed that many people who normaly dont care, or i would have thought been on Israels side based on opinions they have on other things, now are pretty vocal about their support for Palenstine.
I am gladly suprised by this, but i do worry about the, in my opinion, growing distance between the people and the gouverment.
I hated Rangers after watching the Sir Alex documentary.It's funny that as a kid I liked Rangers more because their kit color is blue and I like the color blue
There have been protests re: iran; just because you’re not aware of them doesn’t mean they don’t happen
What china is doing is despicable - the speed and brutality of indiscriminate bombing provokes a more abrupt reaction. There has been an effective apartheid imposed by israel for decades - actions right now are beyond the pale so hence have brought protestors out
He said Palestinian you retort with Hamas. Can we stop making that equivocation which is permitting people to turn a blind eye to the brutality and inhumanity of the response.
The UN secretary general was very apt in how he was able to condemn both Hamas and the Israel government while calling for the sanctity of life
We need more voices like this.
I’m in the U.S., and I feel that there is a change in how Israel is perceived, certainly since Netanyahu gave his infamous speech in 2015. His alliance with Trump and Putin as well as his attempt to weaken Israeli institutions didn’t help either. And then add to that what’s happening in Gaza.
The defence of "everyone else is doing it" is no defence. Go and commit a crime and try it on the judge to see how far you get.
I'm not sure that impression is supported by polls.
For example here are some numbers for the UK, whose population polled particularly supportive of Palestine, compared to some other Western countries - even before recent events:
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2023/10/13/be487/1
Should be more critical of Israel only got 22%
I feel presently, there's some geopolitical factors too. There's the simple factor that, if Israel didn't exist, the territory would likely just become an enclave of Iranian [and Russian/Chinese backed] proxies. It wouldn't end or reduce hostilities or reduce mortality, just shift them with the US having less control of the situation. That, and the US struggling to assert to its allies that it can actually stand by them (Japan, Phillipines etc last few months are nervous), it's a show of strength to say we can still project power and stability for you.
Retrenchment in the middle east has never worked for the USA, and whilst a maximalist approach obviously doesn't work, there has to be some counterbalance.
That and the western view of Arabs/Muslims perceived disloyalty to the West, and their willingness to run to Iran/Russia/China makes them far from honest brokers in many peoples opinions.
Article 8: War Crimes
- Intentionally directing attacks against personnel, installations, material, units or vehicles involved in a humanitarian assistance or peacekeeping mission in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, as long as they are entitled to the protection given to civilians or civilian objects under the international law of armed conflict. Check
- Intentionally launching an attack in the knowledge that such attack will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects or widespread, long-term and severe damage to the natural environment which would be clearly excessive in relation to the concrete and direct overall military advantage anticipated. check
- Intentionally directing attacks against buildings dedicated to religion, education, art, science or charitable purposes, historic monuments, hospitals and places where the sick and wounded are collected, provided they are not military objectives. Check
- Intentionally using starvation of civilians as a method of warfare by depriving them of objects indispensable to their survival, including wilfully impeding relief supplies as provided for under the Geneva Conventions. Check
- Intentionally directing attacks against personnel, installations, material, units or vehicles involved in a humanitarian assistance or peacekeeping mission in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, as long as they are entitled to the protection given to civilians or civilian objects under the international law of armed conflict. Check
- Intentionally launching an attack in the knowledge that such attack will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects or widespread, long-term and severe damage to the natural environment which would be clearly excessive in relation to the concrete and direct overall military advantage anticipated. check
- Intentionally directing attacks against buildings dedicated to religion, education, art, science or charitable purposes, historic monuments, hospitals and places where the sick and wounded are collected, provided they are not military objectives. Check
- Intentionally using starvation of civilians as a method of warfare by depriving them of objects indispensable to their survival, including wilfully impeding relief supplies as provided for under the Geneva Conventions. Check
Are all those building Hamas headquarters and military operation units? they can not be clustered in one neighborhood. This is just collective punishment of first degrees.
"some"
It's a convenient narrative they can stick by considering Gaza is densely populated. As for the vast civilian casualties they'll resort to their usual 'human shield' defence, knowing full well that Hamas aren't going to be located anywhere but Gaza, ergo all of Gaza is a legitimate target.
They might not be executing Palestinian civilians in cold blood (they have Settlers for that), but the effect is nonetheless the same, if not much more catastrophic.
And there's no more thought behind that beyond just taking the opposite stance to Celtic fans for the sake of it.
The Gaza death count is now up to 7000 according to Gaza authorities.
Kremlin continues to orchestrate everything.
Ahh I've not heard that term since Dubya Bush coined it just before he murdered a million Iraqis.
They'll be visiting every nation from the opening scene of the Naked Gun by the time this is over.
Iran delegates are present too by the way, worrying times we are leaving.