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Okay, so in what way is Israel's system not democratic?
Scandinavian countries, Irland and Switzerland always the highest scores in all metrics of the democracy index.
Sweden specifically have topped the charts for a century since 1917.
Bibi is on multiple charges of corruption and bribery that would exclude him from running for PM elsewhere. He’s also tried to remove power from the Supreme Court which consolidates his power as PM.
As others have also mentioned, they’re more akin to an ethnocracy where your ethnicity or religion gives you more freedoms and rights than non-Jews. There are also specific laws and freedoms that apply to Jewish citizens only.
It’s also a state that practices apartheid according to human rights organisations.
All of these (and more) would suggest that it isn’t really a democracy if you’re keeping one distinct group of the population you rule over as a 2nd class citizen whilst keeping another group under military occupation. There’s too much inequality in the system to consider it democratic.
That is an oxymoron.
Behind all the hysteria about "Hamas wanting to kill every single Jew" lies nothing more than projection.
If this is true, the hostage problem will be solved soon enough with the ongoing carpet bombing.
That is disgusting if true, but where is this analyst is getting his information about the IDF deliberately targeting the family of the Jazeera reporter?
I’d assume the journo probably has some ties in the IDF.
Israel is a democracy, like the antebellum or Jim Crow South, or South Africa, were democracies. They all had elected government and restricted citizenship and personhood by race and/or geography.
I think he’s talking in the royal we sense.
Always take what Hamas says with a grain of salt, but seems pretty plausible given the scale of the bombing and the density of the area. If Hamas themself are hiding among the civilians, why wouldn't they also be hiding some of the hostages there?
Kinda.
Government members are still democratically elected and, as others more knowledgeable than me mentioned, the Arab Israelis can be part of the Parliament. No matter the flaws of the Israeli political system, it is much, much more than what any country in the region can offer to their own people. So it's not difficult to understand why the western populations, who are in their overwhelming majority utterly uninformed on the subject and what's happening in Gaza and the West Bank, see Israel as a beacon of light in the Middle-East.
While I somehow understand the reasons behind it, I personally believe that this ethnocentric view of the state does an immense disservice to the Israelis, for whom I have the utmost respect and admiration, and is ultimately bound to fail.
History won't look kindly on it.
In 2021 Israel suffered 1775 rock attack.
He could be just guessing (educated or not)… But the likelihood of just randomly killing so many journalist (already 25) out of the total 3500 adults killed is too low… this makes it more likely that some of the journalist killing was deliberate. Statistically (supposing that 0,2% of the working population are in journalism) we should get to this number first after ~16.000 adult casualties….
I wasn't initially buying that Israel had targetted the journalist's family since I thought they died in one of those massive strikes that takes down an entire apartment complex, which would kill many more families, but from the videos it looks like a precision strike on just his house. They knew exactly what they were doing.
Just fecking awful. The Israel government is absolute scum of the earth.
What the feck, did they really just cry about people throwing rocks at them when they have tanks and guns to shoot those people?
There’s also this:
An hour or so later, his family were killed. He was the most prominent AJ reporter in the region.
I take your point, but also journalists will likely be taking greater risks than the general population.
Why not? After all they have successfully campaigned for decades that their lives matter more so any injury to them from people throwing rocks is ofcourse more heinous than them killing Palestinians.What the feck, did they really just cry about people throwing rocks at them when they have tanks and guns to shoot those people?
Oh I have no doubt they do target journalists intentionally, they are a morally bankrupt state, but he was talking like he was stating a fact. I think like you said he is probably making an educated guessing more than an information he personally got.
I saw a video of the journalist crying and screaming "they took revenge on me through my children". He personally thinks it was deliberate.
How many died from those fireworks?
Not rockets. He's talking about literal rocks. Bricks chucked at people.
They murdered Shireen in cold blood. She was Palestinian American, and to date no one has been tried for this murder. So I really don’t think it’s beyond the realms of possibility that they targeted Wael’s family.
Rocks, not rockets, he was complaining to the UN about rocks thrown at illegal settlers who carry assault rifles around.
Oh shit
Noted my friend.
Obviously hyperbolic to an extent..but is he entirely wrong on this?
He (and the original poster) are wrong in their assumption that this is because of Palestine, and not because of Israel.
I think a lot of the Americans there are dual citizens and are viewed more as Israelis in this particular context.
And the ones in gaza are palestinians so they don't count.
CNN has been covering them every night.
CNN have been following Ibrahim and his family throughout as he tries to get his family out.
I have probably a dumb question but was hoping someone might have a sensible answer for me.
Why doesnt the Israeli Govt stop the settlers taking Palestinian land?
Why doesnt the Israeli Govt stop the settlers taking Palestinian land?
Because they support it.